Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Nethereal]

Hm I don't think that is true. but we have no real way to know.

The game is a MMORPG, the expectation is that you will have fun with peers and grow together.
To intentionally make things harder for your fellow man means you not only are disrespecting them and anyone else around you while you are doing said sabotage but you are also a troll. It is clear and cut. Intent matters.
If you played this game you would know.

[Wavaryen]

The game is a MMORPG, the expectation is that you will have fun with peers and grow together.
To intentionally make things harder for your fellow man means you not only are disrespecting them and anyone else around you while you are doing said sabotage but you are also a troll. It is clear and cut. Intent matters.
If you played this game you would know.

I'm not sure what that has to do with a MMORPG. In fact, I don't think how someone plays has anything to do with MMORPG. Other players are in your game, and it is perfectly ok for you to play bad or how you want with said players. Now if you join a LS or a custom group that has standards than no it is not. Lets be real here. Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care.


We did not even have that mindset when we played Ultima Online. So not sure why people feel that now.

It's not elitist to not want to take an hour to do a duty when the average time through a dungeon is 30 minutes.

I agree, but I also am understanding that I pick to do content that openly has no standard for players to do it.

That means that if a Black mage wants to RP and only do ice. They have every right to do that in that group. And if the group is not happy with them, and he gets kicked. They have the right to do that as well, and he will find another one (or she.)


My stance on it is. The group got made with no set standard on how players should play. So not my place to ask or even help them. Unless they want it.

[Seera1024]

I'm not sure what that has to do with a MMORPG. In fact, I don't think how someone plays has anything to do with MMORPG. Other players are in your game, and it is perfectly ok for you to play bad or how you want with said players. Now if you join a LS or a custom group that has standards than no it is not. Lets be real here. Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care.


We did not even have that mindset when we played Ultima Online. So not sure why people feel that now.



I agree, but I also am understanding that I pick to do content that openly has no standard for players to do it.

That means that if a Black mage wants to RP and only do ice. They have every right to do that in that group. And if the group is not happy with them, and he gets kicked. They have the right to do that as well, and he will find another one (or she.)


My stance on it is. The group got made with no set standard on how players should play. So not my place to ask or even help them. Unless they want it.

When you join a group, the standard is being a team player.

Sometimes being a team player means compromising.

So players entering the DF who are at the extremes should expect to compromise on their preferred play style.

So the players who prefer perfect runs have to tolerate mistakes.

Those who don't play at their personal best knowingly, have to step it up a notch.

No one's expecting the Ice Mage to suddenly go perfect rotation. Just to do a better job at DPS.

[Nethereal]

Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care

You are so unironically oblivious of how narcissistic you are I can't even laugh.

[Wavaryen]

You are so unironically oblivious of how narcissistic you are I can't even laugh.

I'm going to give you some advice...Grow up. Notice how I said that is how I feel, and that I don't push my standards on others? I also speak from someone who played Mud games, and older MMORPGS. Never once did we have this view of. Well we need to play our best because of others.


I think it is a very childish mindset, and selfish one at that. It seems like the only reason people want players to play better is because they want harder content to be design, and they want to get the DF groups faster done without having to deal with said players.


The ego behind the statement that people got to meet your standards in a pug or that people should "care" because they group with others is amazing. It even goes against the nature of what an RPG is.

[Ralph2449]

The ego behind the statement that people got to meet your standards in a pug

It speaks to their feeling of entitlement, anyone with a functioning brain knows to never ever have high expectations of pugged groups in any game, the possibility of a slower run is always possible, but these people somehow have not only managed to have this ridiculous expectation that defies reality, they also feel ENTITLED to it lol.

[Faafetai]

It speaks to their feeling of entitlement, anyone with a functioning brain knows to never ever have high expectations of pugged groups in any game, the possibility of a slower run is always possible, but these people somehow have not only managed to have this ridiculous expectation that defies reality, they also feel ENTITLED to it lol.

I expect people to be decent human beings.

[Seera1024]

It speaks to their feeling of entitlement, anyone with a functioning brain knows to never ever have high expectations of pugged groups in any game, the possibility of a slower run is always possible, but these people somehow have not only managed to have this ridiculous expectation that defies reality, they also feel ENTITLED to it lol.

I expect players in pugged content to be team players.

Not to get harassed for my mistakes by the toxic elitist.

Not for my run to take twice as long as the average run because a member of the party decides they don't want to use all of their skills because they don't look cool.

I don't expect perfection and if it's a post-50 dungeon and a handful of the pre-50 dungeons, I go in expecting there might be a wipe or two.

Now, I don't mind a run taking an abnormally long time due to a player who is trying to get better actively learning and getting better. I'd even accept not completing the content in that case. Because the time was well spent teaching another player how to play their class and the game.

But if we're constantly wiping and the party is asked to perform a little better and a response back is "Sorry, I only use these 2 skills because they look cool. I don't use my high DPS skills because they don't look cool." then I'm not fine with that and that player shouldn't be either. Because they're not being a team player. I'd be against any toxic elitist in the group jumping down their throats for it, because there's a better way to get a player to compromise than attacking them. Because attacking a player is likely going to get them to double down on whatever it is you're asking them to change. They'll be less likely to compromise.

[Rinhi]

I expect players in pugged content to be team players.

Not to get harassed for my mistakes by the toxic elitist.

Not for my run to take twice as long as the average run because a member of the party decides they don't want to use all of their skills because they don't look cool.

I don't expect perfection and if it's a post-50 dungeon and a handful of the pre-50 dungeons, I go in expecting there might be a wipe or two.

Now, I don't mind a run taking an abnormally long time due to a player who is trying to get better actively learning and getting better. I'd even accept not completing the content in that case. Because the time was well spent teaching another player how to play their class and the game.

But if we're constantly wiping and the party is asked to perform a little better and a response back is "Sorry, I only use these 2 skills because they look cool. I don't use my high DPS skills because they don't look cool." then I'm not fine with that and that player shouldn't be either. Because they're not being a team player. I'd be against any toxic elitist in the group jumping down their throats for it, because there's a better way to get a player to compromise than attacking them. Because attacking a player is likely going to get them to double down on whatever it is you're asking them to change. They'll be less likely to compromise.

and those toxic elitists are, like, how many? if we say 5% of the playerbase are the toxic casuals who don't use 90% of their kit for whatever reason, then those toxic elitists are around...? 1% 0.5%?

[Nethereal]

I'm going to give you some advice...Grow up. Notice how I said that is how I feel, and that I don't push my standards on others? I also speak from someone who played Mud games, and older MMORPGS. Never once did we have this view of. Well we need to play our best because of others.


I think it is a very childish mindset, and selfish one at that. It seems like the only reason people want players to play better is because they want harder content to be design, and they want to get the DF groups faster done without having to deal with said players.


The ego behind the statement that people got to meet your standards in a pug or that people should "care" because they group with others is amazing. It even goes against the nature of what an RPG is.

Unfortunately you did not say that is how you "feel" as if you did a simple search on the page you would find you only use the word "feel" twice, neither referencing the 1 time you just brought up.

Implying that you subscribing to trolls intentionally disrespecting, sabotaging, and hurting your fellow man isn't selfish is on a level of itself.

People don't want players to get better, they want them to try their best, that's it.
Sure they want to get things done faster, who doesn't but that's not the point anyone is making here, that is something you are deciding the topic is about. That's called a strawman.
The topic has always been about how the game has failed to inform players while the community is the one who suffers as a result.
And trying to offer solutions will get you dragged down, named and shamed by toxic people(not casuals) who label you an elitist for daring to have a constructive though.

There is an irony here so amazing that if it could take physical form it would create the 2nd big bang.

Honestly all the best to you, hopefully you learn to look at the forest instead of the trees, it's not just you on this earth.