Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Wavaryen]

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I don't think it is hardcore to want to do all that. I think it is more elitist to tell other players to play to the fullest in content that is not design for them to need to do it. And to some people in the thread saying the MSQ should have gatekeep players who are not good at the game.


I also find it amusing that in a pug settings, players consider it a respect issue that players might not want to use certain skills or like how the class plays so adjust it to be more enjoyable. If it was a LS, or a custom made group that has a set rules or standards. Sure people have every right to say hey..you don't meet the standards. In a guild like settings, the leaders has full control and has every right to tell people he or she is leading that they are not doing well enough.


The roulette pays the players for doing easy design content, and pays players to "carry" bads or for bads to stick with it. That is it. Wanting it to change is just silly because most players are bad, and are ok with being bad because they are having fun. If someone has an issue with them being bad in a pug settings. That is not a issue the bads should fix, but themselves. The bads will keep having fun and are perfectly ok with ruining other players fun in that settings because that settings is design around them to just relax and enjoy the ride.

[Nethereal]

I don't think it is hardcore to want to do all that. I think it is more elitist to tell other players to play to the fullest in content that is not design for them to need to do it.

Openly admits to thinking it is elitist to want your peers to try their best simply because content can be cleared solo in 1h what would take 4 people 20-25 minutes.
And I'm the toxic one because I don't take being disrespected in a multi-player game lying down.

[Wavaryen]

Openly admits to thinking it is elitist to want your peers to try their best simply because content can be cleared solo in 1h what would take 4 people 20-25 minutes.
And I'm the toxic one because I'm intentionally being disrespected in a multi-player game and not taking it lying down.

Correct, that content is design around players like them, and they are having fun even if it takes you longer. You get a reward for dealing with said players. Wanting them to play better is just silly. A failed group is not that big of a deal, and I think it is very toxic to try and force a standard in a pug group that the game makes. If it was a group you made. You have every right to do it.

[Nethereal]

Correct, that content is design around players like them

The content is not designed around players like them at all. The only content designed around players like them is msq questline. If you duplicated them to fill an entire light or full party they would not be able to clear any content at all.

I do not get a reward for dealing with these players I get a reward for playing the game. It is toxic of you as a fellow human to purposefully disrespect everyone around you in the name of your own fun when it is a multi player game.

[Wavaryen]

The content is not designed around players like them at all. The only content designed around players like them is msq questline. If you duplicated them to fill an entire light or full party they would not be able to clear any content at all.

I do not get a reward for dealing with these players I get a reward for playing the game. It is toxic of you as a fellow human to purposefully disrespect everyone around you in the name of your own fun when it is a multi player game.

Hm I don't think that is true. but we have no real way to know. In fact, i think DF groups can be done with bad players, and im sure it has been done with a full group of these types of players. We really can't say one way or another..but by what people are saying in this group. They want players to get better because the content is so brain dead easy.

[Nethereal]

Hm I don't think that is true. but we have no real way to know.

The game is a MMORPG, the expectation is that you will have fun with peers and grow together.
To intentionally make things harder for your fellow man means you not only are disrespecting them and anyone else around you while you are doing said sabotage but you are also a troll. It is clear and cut. Intent matters.
If you played this game you would know.

[Wavaryen]

The game is a MMORPG, the expectation is that you will have fun with peers and grow together.
To intentionally make things harder for your fellow man means you not only are disrespecting them and anyone else around you while you are doing said sabotage but you are also a troll. It is clear and cut. Intent matters.
If you played this game you would know.

I'm not sure what that has to do with a MMORPG. In fact, I don't think how someone plays has anything to do with MMORPG. Other players are in your game, and it is perfectly ok for you to play bad or how you want with said players. Now if you join a LS or a custom group that has standards than no it is not. Lets be real here. Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care.


We did not even have that mindset when we played Ultima Online. So not sure why people feel that now.

It's not elitist to not want to take an hour to do a duty when the average time through a dungeon is 30 minutes.

I agree, but I also am understanding that I pick to do content that openly has no standard for players to do it.

That means that if a Black mage wants to RP and only do ice. They have every right to do that in that group. And if the group is not happy with them, and he gets kicked. They have the right to do that as well, and he will find another one (or she.)


My stance on it is. The group got made with no set standard on how players should play. So not my place to ask or even help them. Unless they want it.

[Seera1024]

Correct, that content is design around players like them, and they are having fun even if it takes you longer. You get a reward for dealing with said players. Wanting them to play better is just silly. A failed group is not that big of a deal, and I think it is very toxic to try and force a standard in a pug group that the game makes. If it was a group you made. You have every right to do it.

It's not elitist to not want to take an hour to do a duty when the average time through a dungeon is 30 minutes.

It's rude to expect all players to cater to your style of play. Be it super high skill level or expecting a carry because you know you aren't performing anywhere near at your best.

Willfully ignoring skills because they don't look cool or fit your character RP wise is not playing at one's best. A player willfully ignoring skills or changing up the rotation because they need to in order to not die due to lack of knowledge is playing at their current best

A Black Mage staying in Ice because they're RP'ing their character as someone who doesn't use Fire and expecting players to carry them through content so they don't have to break character is being rude.

A Black Mage only doing 2 Fire IV's instead of 3 to ensure they keep Enochian up because they don't quite have everything down with their skills to reduce movement to do it perfectly is playing at their best.

When you sign up for the Duty Finder you agree to be a team player.

Part of being a team player is compromising when differences in play style come up.

In the Duty Finder you're going to have players who want things to go as quick as possible. You're also going to have the Ice Mages and other such players who prefer carries (henceforth referred to collectively as Ice Mages).

Those that want things to go as quickly as possible accept that a run may take 5-10 minutes longer due to not everyone performing optimally.

Those that want to willfully play sub-optimally for RP or aesthetic reasons need to step it up a bit because the other players in the dungeon likely don't want to take an hour to get through the content and they should respect the other player's time. Especially when queuing in for 4 man content.

Players at both extremes who do not wish to compromise should use the PF to find players who are willing to carry them or are willing to play optimally.

[Faafetai]

Correct, that content is design around players like them, and they are having fun even if it takes you longer. You get a reward for dealing with said players. Wanting them to play better is just silly. A failed group is not that big of a deal, and I think it is very toxic to try and force a standard in a pug group that the game makes. If it was a group you made. You have every right to do it.

The key word here is HAVING FUN. It is not fun to be berated within a mandatory Trial I waited 30 minutes to get into for the first time. The ice mage/black mage was being a jerk to the party of people who were new to the duty because of not passing a dps check that they themselves were contributing to with their low debuffed ice skills, after they died more times than I could count. They were the one flaming the party, no one knew how to vote kick I literally never had to do it before and no time to look it up due to rapid pull 'main tank' who was playing red light green light with their stance.

There is a huge difference in completing content slowly and actually being able to have fun and completing the content. COMPLETE THE CONTENT. I already know you are going to say build your own social network or something about the social balance of the duty finder like some weird guru. What is the point of duty finder? Not everyone wishes to build a social network. There may not even be people to enter into a party in party finder. It is a story trial why can't people pass a story trial?

I am not there for my first time to take over for the 'main tank' which I did because the healers were getting beat on because I didn't notice the main tank was assuming their stance was a ogcd or something, and carry an idiot black mage so he can get his trial roulette reward. He clearly 'I've cleared extreme a hundred time' he was not new just doing things his way. No problem, at least I got the clear right? Should have built that social network. What I should have done was wait till endwalker so I could play shadowbringers content without the need for a party after grinding to level 90.

[Wavaryen]

The key word here is HAVING FUN. It is not fun to be berated within a mandatory Trial I waited 30 minutes to get into for the first time. The ice mage/black mage was being a jerk to the party of people who were new to the duty because of not passing a dps check that they themselves were contributing to with their low debuffed ice skills, after they died more times than I could count. They were the one flaming the party, no one knew how to vote kick I literally never had to do it before and no time to look it up due to rapid pull 'main tank' who was playing red light green light with their stance.

There is a huge difference in completing content slowly and actually being able to have fun and completing the content. COMPLETE THE CONTENT. I already know you are going to say build your own social network or something about the social balance of the duty finder like some weird guru. What is the point of duty finder? Not everyone wishes to build a social network. There may not even be people to enter into a party in party finder. It is a story trial why can't people pass a story trial?

I am not there for my first time to take over for the 'main tank' which I did because the healers were getting beat on because I didn't notice the main tank was assuming their stance was a ogcd or something, and carry an idiot black mage so he can get his trial roulette reward. He clearly 'I've cleared extreme a hundred time' he was not new just doing things his way. No problem, at least I got the clear right? Should have built that social network. What I should have done was wait till endwalker so I could play shadowbringers content without the need for a party after grinding to level 90.

It is not up to the other players to care about what is fun for you. You are right when I said build a social network that allows you to do that. In a pug setting you are not entitle to the rewards, and to force players to care about you or your fun. It has nothing to do with being a decent person. It is a game, and if you can't accept that sometimes you will get a group that fails, or a group that does the content longer. That is on you, not anyone else.