Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Mostly_Raxus]

The problem is many players are choosing not to respect other players by playing so poorly; they are choosing not to use their kit properly (or just simply not using skills altogether). They become a burden, wasting other players time, and having to be carried through content they couldn't otherwise complete; there are times when content can't even be cleared, because of this since not everyone is pulling their weight. In party based content players are meant to actually work together.

I hear your point, i really do, but theses so called standards only exist if everyone agrees to them, if you want speed runs/achievement runs/skipped CS's/excreta you go in to that with everyone wanting that, sometimes people want to be lazy and just take it slow, and i know how frustrating it can be when in a hurry, but if its randoms from DF then you cant dictate their involvement in play.

trust me when i say this, make your own grps and you will be much happier, or you will spend all your time trying to heard cats..

its not worth the effort, and you wont win against someone not wanting to participate, and you harassing them for it and catching a ban will do nothing, only queue with your FC if it bothers you, or try to just say F-it and enjoy the ride not the the chest at the end.

[Nethereal]

I hear your point, i really do, but theses so called standards only exist if everyone agrees to them, if you want speed runs/achievement runs/skipped CS's/excreta you go in to that with everyone wanting that

We're not asking for speed runs, we're asking for you to try your best and not intentionally waste other peoples time because your best isn't required.
If you are intentionally wasting other people's time and you openly admit to it then it doesn't matter what standards anyone has or places, you are disrespecting everyone you were doing content with as a matter of fact.

[SturmChurro]

I hear your point, i really do, but theses so called standards only exist if everyone agrees to them, if you want speed runs/achievement runs/skipped CS's/excreta you go in to that with everyone wanting that, sometimes people want to be lazy and just take it slow, and i know how frustrating it can be when in a hurry, but if its randoms from DF then you cant dictate their involvement in play.

trust me when i say this, make your own grps and you will be much happier, or you will spend all your time trying to heard cats..

its not worth the effort, and you wont win against someone not wanting to participate, and you harassing them for it and catching a ban will do nothing, only queue with your FC if it bothers you, or try to just say F-it and enjoy the ride not the the chest at the end.

The standards exist in the difficulty of the content. If there are no players left in the DF to actually carry these players, they literally won't be able to complete content. That's the simple fact of the matter. For that matter, many of them - apparently - even have trouble completing MSQ content! It looks to be the reason why Yoshida is hesitant to actually add things like harder 4-player content, since each player would have to really pull their weight then. At this point, the type of content that would actually cater to this type of player would probably amount to a walking (or AFK) simulator!

Instead I think more players should just respect each other, and play the game at an adequate level. Then everyone could benefit, and content wouldn't have to be potentially 'streamlined' even more to cater to players who choose to play at this level.

[Mostly_Raxus]

The standards exist in the difficulty of the content. If there are no players left in the DF to actually carry these players, they literally won't be able to complete content. That's the simple fact of the matter. For that matter, many of them - apparently - even have trouble completing MSQ content! It looks to be the reason why Yoshida is hesitant to actually add things like harder 4-player content, since each player would have to really pull their weight then. At this point, the type of content that would actually cater to this type of player would probably amount to a walking (or AFK) simulator!

Instead I think more players should just respect each other, and play the game at an adequate level. Then everyone could benefit, and content wouldn't have to be potentially 'streamlined' even more to cater to players who choose to play at this level.

I agree, but especially for new player and casuals alike they dont learn they are doing something wrong till they are yelled at and ridiculed over it..

this game sets a weird standard, onew the long time players know and the new players fear.

ACT: aka the dps metor..

New players are told they will be banned for using it, and i don't think i ever saw a training dummy in open world inside of the lochs i believe.

How is someone new or not deep in the community even supposed to figure out their rotation, they are told that hard core is evil here and this game is about fun.

Then they get to endgame with mechanics plus tight enrage timers requiring optimal performance, and they get laughed out and never go back..

all wile the hard core players have all the houses with private dummy and their dps meter to parse themself till they have that 100% parse down.

there is no entry level for new players outside of other players helping and explaining.

[SturmChurro]

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I do agree that this game is lacking supported tools to help player improvement - which is where this thread's topic is derived from (I assume). However, I think there is quite a decent amount of information available to actually play at an 'adequate' level. Players could read their tooltips, read what skills do and organize them, go out of their way to actually ask for help or feedback, look up *up to date* video or written guides, etc. It's not like it's that difficult to do if a player actually wants to improve.

Personally, I still don't understand how it can be considered "hardcore" to just do a rotation (combos even light up), use AoE, or heal, properly. If they are actively participating in content that has "tight enrage timers", I think it's even more crucial that they try to improve, even if that means going out of their way to do so. It's only fair to everyone else trying to complete said content, who are actually trying.

I don't think that "hardcore" players have all the houses, I think quite a variety of players (and bots) have housing, though, yes, it is difficult to get one regardless. However, I don't think it's that difficult to actually find a dummy to use.

[MiaShino]

However, I don't think it's that difficult to actually find a dummy to use.

It is incredibly easy to locate them, many are in the areas adjacent to the starting cities. Once you reach level 70 dungeons you can queue into Explorer mode and even summon practice dummies for you or your friends. If one of them has the program installed they can assist the struggling player even if the player is on console.

For anyone here who does not know about Explorer mode, it only works in certain dungeons but tis an amazing utility for a "practice dummy on command" that you can mash buttons on in complete privacy. There is also Stone, Sea, Sky that can assist deeps players understand how much damage they are or are not doing. It should start near idyllshire as a blue plus quest. I almost fricken forgot about Stone, Sea, Sky. I kinda feel this should be mandatory especially for those who boost jobs.

[Wavaryen]

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I don't think it is hardcore to want to do all that. I think it is more elitist to tell other players to play to the fullest in content that is not design for them to need to do it. And to some people in the thread saying the MSQ should have gatekeep players who are not good at the game.


I also find it amusing that in a pug settings, players consider it a respect issue that players might not want to use certain skills or like how the class plays so adjust it to be more enjoyable. If it was a LS, or a custom made group that has a set rules or standards. Sure people have every right to say hey..you don't meet the standards. In a guild like settings, the leaders has full control and has every right to tell people he or she is leading that they are not doing well enough.


The roulette pays the players for doing easy design content, and pays players to "carry" bads or for bads to stick with it. That is it. Wanting it to change is just silly because most players are bad, and are ok with being bad because they are having fun. If someone has an issue with them being bad in a pug settings. That is not a issue the bads should fix, but themselves. The bads will keep having fun and are perfectly ok with ruining other players fun in that settings because that settings is design around them to just relax and enjoy the ride.

[Nethereal]

I don't think it is hardcore to want to do all that. I think it is more elitist to tell other players to play to the fullest in content that is not design for them to need to do it.

Openly admits to thinking it is elitist to want your peers to try their best simply because content can be cleared solo in 1h what would take 4 people 20-25 minutes.
And I'm the toxic one because I don't take being disrespected in a multi-player game lying down.

[Wavaryen]

Openly admits to thinking it is elitist to want your peers to try their best simply because content can be cleared solo in 1h what would take 4 people 20-25 minutes.
And I'm the toxic one because I'm intentionally being disrespected in a multi-player game and not taking it lying down.

Correct, that content is design around players like them, and they are having fun even if it takes you longer. You get a reward for dealing with said players. Wanting them to play better is just silly. A failed group is not that big of a deal, and I think it is very toxic to try and force a standard in a pug group that the game makes. If it was a group you made. You have every right to do it.