Please implement something to teach players how to play

[MiaShino]

yeah, exactly, which is why I can't stand those posts that basically declare that everyone from camp 2 is a toxic elitist and I can't stress it enough that it's not about sprouts, new players or people leveling another job!

Yup yup! About attempting to assist players..

There was a run of Toto-Rak me and my partner went through where the tank chose to wear crafting gear. We confronted them and were told "this is all I have". We offered to craft them gear after the dungeon if they wished, no reply.

Sooooo.. we became curious and inspected their search info only to discover they had all of their crafters leveled to 80 and most of their jobs leveled to 80 as well. We became increasingly suspicious when they seemed to seek out every poison pod in the whole dungeon even the ones in side rooms to run face first into.

Our poor sprouty healer in miscellaneous gear who was there for their first time was being most precious about it. They did not know they were being actively griefed. They were struggling to heal and we wiped but I never once yelled at them. I was actually quite proud that they managed to find time to stone enemies when the tank had.. that on. My ire was for the tank who felt that griefing sprouts in Toto-Rak was acceptable behavior. If they truly did not understand the importance of defensive gear on a tank then something has gone very wrong in FF14.

[Jojoya]

Ion no matter how much THE COMMUNITY hates him is a dev that understands his game and knows how it works, which is why THE COMMUNITY has such a hard time grasping things such as meaningful choices like covenants because the majority of them dont know how to play an RPG and think googling the best build not only makes them a good player but it is how you play an mmoRPG.

What Ion understands is how the game is engineered. After all, he did create Elitist Jerks when he was just a player to form one of the first major theorycrafting communities for WoW. He was the one who broke down the numbers to prove that it was mathematically impossible for players to beat C'thun as it was originally released.

He understands the engineering. He was a great Lead Encounter Designer. He knows what makes a game fun to those who like number crunching (the engineering aspect) because that's the type of player he was.

He does not understand RPGs nor does he understand what makes a game fun to the average player, and that is why the game is currently having problems. They're trying to engineer complex systems they find challenging to design without understanding those complex systems are not fun to play.

If MSQ actually worked as a tutorial, no one would complain about stuff in lv80 duties.

If MSQ didn't work fine as a tutorial, everyone would be failing at 80.

[Mostly_Raxus]

OP is the one getting screamed at for trying to help, he isn't the one screaming at people

"Im not going to bother trying to teach people things in game. Been there, done that. You get screamed at."

it sounds like he is saying he will scream at you, he did not say, "I get screamed at" he said "you get screamed at"

context here says that he is in fact the one screaming.

and if they were screamed at what led to that, was it them trying to be bossy in a dungeon where it wasn't called for, some people like to be "rules lawyers", if the see anyone acting out of their preconceived norm they have to set them straight, i got a friend that goes in to satasha and tries to make everyone do all the mechanics and gets mad as he is ignored, inface we go out of our way to trigger him by standing in stuff because he is such a pig headed fellow that we would rather fail than give him peace of mind.

he borderline harasses players to play to his standards, and its super annoying.
I would rather have fun with the people new caught in the magic, than the old burnt out elitist who sucks the fun out of the game because its his only merit of success in life. he is still my friend, but no way in heck are we going listen to him wile he tries to carry himself as a condescending know it all who just wants to "Help"

sometimes helping comes from a good place, but it gets ruined on delivery, sometimes, well, a lot of the times people want to help people that never wanted their help to begun with, and to levels that are annoying, and viewed as an ulterior motive..
they act like they want to help, but really they just want to tell you how bad you suck compared to them.

whether they are mentors or sprouts, new or old, even diaper potatoes, if they cant deal with other people and not be a PoS then they should make their own grp or go play single player games.

[Zarkovitch]

When you boost a character. You should get how to play this job 101. Because, it going affect community when endwalkers is out. I remember when shadowbringers release there was a person who doesnt know how to use shirk as tank on a extreme primal. I was malding on my screen.

[Mostly_Raxus]

these are things you ask before pull xD

granted most extremes are a free kill once everyone can dance i wouldn't call them hardcore content, but that is one of those few skills you never use untill that point in the game, you got to learn sometime, you can go 1-80 without ever learning shirk, its useless till you get to fights with real tank swaps

[Faafetai]

Welcome to the game. I just wanted to say that I don't think this thread is about new players being bad at the game. I haven't read the whole thing, but it now mostly boils down to "I play however I please because normal content is braindead anyway" vs. "You need to play at a decent level and pull your weight." Honestly? I'm part of camp 2 but that's beside the point.

yeah, exactly, which is why I can't stand those posts that basically declare that everyone from camp 2 is a toxic elitist and I can't stress it enough that it's not about sprouts, new players or people leveling another job!

Somehow by entering into this thread, even if you have not said anything about anything, people keep randomly picking people out and labeling them as toxic elitists. They don't even know how long someone has been playing for or what they even try to accomplish within the game. They also will tell you that you wish to speed run dungeons or some such nonsense grouping everyone into a little bubble so they do not have to think about multiple peoples experiences or even read what others have written. If I wished to speed run I would not have been kind of annoyed at the sprout tank denying the sprout healer of gear within Qarn today.

I have not played for long, but I have played enough to see a trend of people getting fiesty within content and freaking out on new players. Those people are the ones who do not push any of their buttons, if I did not have a friend that had a parser installed I would not have known that person was doing those things while they were yelling at the only healer alive to limit break. Everytime someone in a dungeon has been toxic they have literally not be pushing any of their buttons but whatever their 1 is set to. I think those people are the actual elitists/casuals that everyone is mistaking everyone else for, or are they the ones who are doing these things in the first place and are projecting. This whole thread is really giving me some insight within the psyche of those players.

[MiaShino]

context here says that he is in fact the one screaming.

You said lots of other stuffs but I actually agree with much of this post making me wonder if English is not the native language and there was misunderstanding? Many apologies if you are a sensible person and I was rude, English is not my native language.

I think those people are the actual elitists/casuals that everyone is mistaking everyone else for, or are they the ones who are doing these things in the first place and are projecting. This whole thread is really giving me some insight within the psyche of those players.

Mmhmm! Others tend to grow reeeeal feisty when they feel they are being called out, tis the old guilty conscious acting up again.

Two of them were posting here nonstop until they reached their post limit.. I wish I had not googled their forum name because woah! Every single forum they post on they pick fights. There they are on the Ubisoft forums starting things. Ohhh now on reddit. Hey there they are on the Blizzard forums too, same post style and same names. Do not look at their twitter or Instagram.. trust this Mia.

If MSQ didn't work fine as a tutorial, everyone would be failing at 80.

Hmm. I have been playing for ummmm I would say nine-ish months on and off but not consistently for point of reference. Pretty much everything I learned about FF14 was from friends, exploring and trying new things or clearing fights at low ilvl, guides plus youtube or twitch annnnnnnd, others within the game.

If the msq taught me anything (job quests included) it is that other Eorzean's despise the local flora and fauna and I need to find a way around these telewarp costs they are really starting to add up.

[Faafetai]

If MSQ didn't work fine as a tutorial, everyone would be failing at 80.

Honestly no, msq does not work as a tutorial until maybe stormblood possibly the dungeon at the end of post heavensward. Post stormblood was amazing and actually had some fun tank mechanics mixed into one of the fights, and the starting fight aaaaallll the way in bozja. That is for msq in general not counting dungeons for all of that or trials. The first Trial that was perfect was Odin, but not many do that early, so to pick msq ones maybe Nidhogg. Best dungeon for teaching would have to go to The Great Gubal Library. This is for the first dungeon I was in that actually taught me things, but not everything I would have liked to know. Alliance raids does not even let you interact with the other tanks to learn how to cover, shirk, nothing. I knew those things existed, but not having any need or ability to do it made me assume it would not be important until it was. I would have liked practice, a need to swap, the other tank to not have removed their shirk button off of their bar because they are the manliest of men and 'will not shirk' else their manliness be questioned for they are the MAIN TANK the only tank that other tank voking so they don't receive the final stack that killed them already 2 wipes into the fight.

If all of the class quests were like the start of gunbreaker and dancer I would not be here, but you do not get those classes until you are already 60. Scholar has been okay so far despite having to physically target everyone. Summoner was good too, but let me tell you that paladin quest line until the tournament arc undergeared, I didn't even have to use cooldowns, I had no practice with them, if I did not play swtor prior I would have been so darn confused.

Edit: I forgot! You can not even shirk to the big kitty mans in the gunbreaker quest. Also I forgot every one of the monk quests never giving you time to practice positionals. Out of all of the class quest that actually could use someone tanking for you within the story, this is it! This would have been helpful of all of the times someone has tanked for you within the other class quests T_T It has only taught me that being inside of the enemies hitbox more times than not will allow me to cheese the positionals.

[Nethereal]

*snip*

When you realize it's not a troll. I googled.

[Mostly_Raxus]

You said lots of other stuffs but I actually agree with much of this post making me wonder if English is not the native language and there was misunderstanding? Many apologies if you are a sensible person and I was rude, English is not my native language.

All good no need to apologize, I'm not trying to make enemies here or take sides, I'm just saying that people need to treat people with respect, all players should value each other regardless of player skill.