Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Eien713]

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Welcome to the game. I just wanted to say that I don't think this thread is about new players being bad at the game. I haven't read the whole thing, but it now mostly boils down to "I play however I please because normal content is braindead anyway" vs. "You need to play at a decent level and pull your weight." Honestly? I'm part of camp 2 but that's beside the point.

I've avoided commenting after the discussion looked like it was going nowhere, but I decided to write this post because I didn't want a new player to get the wrong idea about how veterans view sprouts. I speak for myself and hopefully many others when I say that most veterans have a soft spot for sprouts and are always willing/happy to help them in any way possible. This discussion is in no way, shape, or form aimed at new players (since those players are still finding their feet in the game anyway).

[Rinhi]

I've avoided commenting after the discussion looked like it was going nowhere, but I decided to write this post because I didn't want a new player to get the wrong idea about how veterans view sprouts. I speak for myself and hopefully many others when I say that most veterans have a soft spot for sprouts and are always willing/happy to help them in any way possible. This discussion is in no way, shape, or form aimed at new players (since those players are still finding their feet in the game anyway).

yeah, exactly, which is why I can't stand those posts that basically declare that everyone from camp 2 is a toxic elitist and I can't stress it enough that it's not about sprouts, new players or people leveling another job!

[MiaShino]

yeah, exactly, which is why I can't stand those posts that basically declare that everyone from camp 2 is a toxic elitist and I can't stress it enough that it's not about sprouts, new players or people leveling another job!

Yup yup! About attempting to assist players..

There was a run of Toto-Rak me and my partner went through where the tank chose to wear crafting gear. We confronted them and were told "this is all I have". We offered to craft them gear after the dungeon if they wished, no reply.

Sooooo.. we became curious and inspected their search info only to discover they had all of their crafters leveled to 80 and most of their jobs leveled to 80 as well. We became increasingly suspicious when they seemed to seek out every poison pod in the whole dungeon even the ones in side rooms to run face first into.

Our poor sprouty healer in miscellaneous gear who was there for their first time was being most precious about it. They did not know they were being actively griefed. They were struggling to heal and we wiped but I never once yelled at them. I was actually quite proud that they managed to find time to stone enemies when the tank had.. that on. My ire was for the tank who felt that griefing sprouts in Toto-Rak was acceptable behavior. If they truly did not understand the importance of defensive gear on a tank then something has gone very wrong in FF14.

[Faafetai]

Welcome to the game. I just wanted to say that I don't think this thread is about new players being bad at the game. I haven't read the whole thing, but it now mostly boils down to "I play however I please because normal content is braindead anyway" vs. "You need to play at a decent level and pull your weight." Honestly? I'm part of camp 2 but that's beside the point.

yeah, exactly, which is why I can't stand those posts that basically declare that everyone from camp 2 is a toxic elitist and I can't stress it enough that it's not about sprouts, new players or people leveling another job!

Somehow by entering into this thread, even if you have not said anything about anything, people keep randomly picking people out and labeling them as toxic elitists. They don't even know how long someone has been playing for or what they even try to accomplish within the game. They also will tell you that you wish to speed run dungeons or some such nonsense grouping everyone into a little bubble so they do not have to think about multiple peoples experiences or even read what others have written. If I wished to speed run I would not have been kind of annoyed at the sprout tank denying the sprout healer of gear within Qarn today.

I have not played for long, but I have played enough to see a trend of people getting fiesty within content and freaking out on new players. Those people are the ones who do not push any of their buttons, if I did not have a friend that had a parser installed I would not have known that person was doing those things while they were yelling at the only healer alive to limit break. Everytime someone in a dungeon has been toxic they have literally not be pushing any of their buttons but whatever their 1 is set to. I think those people are the actual elitists/casuals that everyone is mistaking everyone else for, or are they the ones who are doing these things in the first place and are projecting. This whole thread is really giving me some insight within the psyche of those players.

[MiaShino]

context here says that he is in fact the one screaming.

You said lots of other stuffs but I actually agree with much of this post making me wonder if English is not the native language and there was misunderstanding? Many apologies if you are a sensible person and I was rude, English is not my native language.

I think those people are the actual elitists/casuals that everyone is mistaking everyone else for, or are they the ones who are doing these things in the first place and are projecting. This whole thread is really giving me some insight within the psyche of those players.

Mmhmm! Others tend to grow reeeeal feisty when they feel they are being called out, tis the old guilty conscious acting up again.

Two of them were posting here nonstop until they reached their post limit.. I wish I had not googled their forum name because woah! Every single forum they post on they pick fights. There they are on the Ubisoft forums starting things. Ohhh now on reddit. Hey there they are on the Blizzard forums too, same post style and same names. Do not look at their twitter or Instagram.. trust this Mia.

If MSQ didn't work fine as a tutorial, everyone would be failing at 80.

Hmm. I have been playing for ummmm I would say nine-ish months on and off but not consistently for point of reference. Pretty much everything I learned about FF14 was from friends, exploring and trying new things or clearing fights at low ilvl, guides plus youtube or twitch annnnnnnd, others within the game.

If the msq taught me anything (job quests included) it is that other Eorzean's despise the local flora and fauna and I need to find a way around these telewarp costs they are really starting to add up.

[Nethereal]

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When you realize it's not a troll. I googled.

[Mostly_Raxus]

You said lots of other stuffs but I actually agree with much of this post making me wonder if English is not the native language and there was misunderstanding? Many apologies if you are a sensible person and I was rude, English is not my native language.

All good no need to apologize, I'm not trying to make enemies here or take sides, I'm just saying that people need to treat people with respect, all players should value each other regardless of player skill.