Please implement something to teach players how to play

[DPZ2]

holy sh- dude, it's NOT about new players, is that concept so hard to grasp?!
for the millionth time, it's about players with possibly hundreds of hours playing at early ARR level because the game (and coddling community) allows you to do so due to the various nerfs and very easy difficulties the solo duties have

Are you sure about that? Because I'm fairly certain that this devolved into a diatribe against presumed lazy no-good slackers in general. (Or, perhaps, it was about Communists?)

[Rinhi]

Are you sure about that? Because I'm fairly certain that this devolved into a diatribe against presumed lazy no-good slackers in general. (Or, perhaps, it was about Communists?)

yes? the majority of the posts are about it, unless we have read a different thread?

do you want me to link you to like 40 streams of players in the 70-80 window that are still sprouts doing group content that is required to complete the msq? there are plenty of new players that have been playing for less than a week at that level.

yeah, please link them, also ask them how high their /playtime is at that level!

and him saying he wont help someone because he dictated that they have had long enough to learn so instead will yell at them sounds like some crazy person stuff.. like don't have kids i will call CPS..

OP is the one getting screamed at for trying to help, he isn't the one screaming at people

this meat headed ideal that "everything for the hardcore at the cost of the casual" is just kinda dumb, if you don't have time to play with others then don't play, if your so set in being the main character there are like 14ish other FF games you can go play.

no one is talking about this

get your head on your shoulders, people don't deserve to be treated like trash because they are not as good as you at a video game, and if you cant deal with them then you are the problem and should leave instead of insisting that they not be allowed.

players trying to HELP are the ones usually being treated like trash and you're basically blaming them for that, wow

there has been this simple concept since the conception of team games, its called "Make your own group" if you can't grasp the concept it's simple, Don't queue with randoms if you are not mentally prepared to be a decent human being with strangers.

yeah, so why exactly should, say, a cure/medica 1 whm in level 80 content use DF again? they're not being a decent human being and should use PF instead if they want to disrespect everyone but their own time

[Mostly_Raxus]

OP is the one getting screamed at for trying to help, he isn't the one screaming at people

"Im not going to bother trying to teach people things in game. Been there, done that. You get screamed at."

it sounds like he is saying he will scream at you, he did not say, "I get screamed at" he said "you get screamed at"

context here says that he is in fact the one screaming.

and if they were screamed at what led to that, was it them trying to be bossy in a dungeon where it wasn't called for, some people like to be "rules lawyers", if the see anyone acting out of their preconceived norm they have to set them straight, i got a friend that goes in to satasha and tries to make everyone do all the mechanics and gets mad as he is ignored, inface we go out of our way to trigger him by standing in stuff because he is such a pig headed fellow that we would rather fail than give him peace of mind.

he borderline harasses players to play to his standards, and its super annoying.
I would rather have fun with the people new caught in the magic, than the old burnt out elitist who sucks the fun out of the game because its his only merit of success in life. he is still my friend, but no way in heck are we going listen to him wile he tries to carry himself as a condescending know it all who just wants to "Help"

sometimes helping comes from a good place, but it gets ruined on delivery, sometimes, well, a lot of the times people want to help people that never wanted their help to begun with, and to levels that are annoying, and viewed as an ulterior motive..
they act like they want to help, but really they just want to tell you how bad you suck compared to them.

whether they are mentors or sprouts, new or old, even diaper potatoes, if they cant deal with other people and not be a PoS then they should make their own grp or go play single player games.

[Rinhi]

"Im not going to bother trying to teach people things in game. Been there, done that. You get screamed at."

it sounds like he is saying he will scream at you, he did not say, "I get screamed at" he said "you get screamed at"

context here says that he is in fact the one screaming.

the OP is talking about himself in second person in that sentence, at least to me in that context (having been in the same shoes multiple times)
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/psych...b0928a6b781891

and if they were screamed at what led to that, was it them trying to be bossy in a dungeon where it wasn't called for, some people like to be "rules lawyers", if the see anyone acting out of their preconceived norm they have to set them straight, i got a friend that goes in to satasha and tries to make everyone do all the mechanics and gets mad as he is ignored, inface we go out of our way to trigger him by standing in stuff because he is such a pig headed fellow that we would rather fail than give him peace of mind.

having been screamed at and insulted for trying to help low and high level players alike when they were struggling to heal the tank/raid/other examples and doing it in the nicest way possible - and having seen other players do the same and being treated similarly - it's never been bossy behaviour

sometimes helping comes from a good place, but it gets ruined on delivery, sometimes, well, a lot of the times people want to help people that never wanted their help to begun with, and to levels that are annoying, and viewed as an ulterior motive..
they act like they want to help, but really they just want to tell you how bad you suck compared to them.

"gets ruined on delivery" is such a cop-out, sorry, but that's the truth, even if you walk on eggshells around some players, they will take personal offence at how nice you worded your help because you're "condescending" or similar headcanons to be the victim
I don't understand how a player that struggles wouldn't want help, but maybe it's a nurture thing?

he borderline harasses players to play to his standards, and its super annoying.
I would rather have fun with the people new caught in the magic, than the old burnt out elitist who sucks the fun out of the game because its his only merit of success in life. he is still my friend, but no way in heck are we going listen to him wile he tries to carry himself as a condescending know it all who just wants to "Help"

you know who's the condescending part most of the time? the player that carries the non-player through the content, the one that's telling them they're playing perfectly fine when they're using nothing but cure and medica 1 past level 50

hell, my first post on the forums here was defending myself against the allegations that I was being toxic to a tank and their healer, said toxicity being that I asked the healer to use something else other than cure in bardam's mettle, a level 65 dungeon, because the tank was dying to the very first pull due to the lack of healing!
true, I did accidentally aggro the second pack because I was in their line of sight during their scripted patrolling, but what the tank didn't say is that:
1) the enemies would've aggro'd to us regardless due to all of us being in line of sight of said patrol
2) painted me as if I actively tried to grief them, which I didn't
3) straight up lied to defend their friend, the bad healer, by saying that the abilties that I listed aren't unlocked at that level when in fact they were, considering I was also levelling the same class up during that time

like, sure, my response in the in-game chat was passive aggressive, I'm not going to defend that because it happened in the spur of the moment (and I'd have apologized had I not been kicked :^)), but that condescending behaviour of the tank, who actively keeps their friend from learning* their class' abilities due to this weird "you don't pay their sub" "they don't want help" line of thinking
how is that fair to all the people who will have to pick up said healer's slack in later content when they've been taught the class wrong?

*turned out they already had WHM at 80 on another character, so much for it being about letting someone learn how to play without giving them bad habits