Please implement something to teach players how to play

[raelgun]

well i haven't played with you so i can't confirm,
but i assume you mean someone was nice and helpful, not yelling and kicking you because of what they may be missing in intimate areas..

Fun fact, most people that are giving advice are actually nice, its those on the receiving end behaving toxic - kicking and screaming, see this thread for example.

[Mostly_Raxus]

considering the very first post comes down to "get gud" and "Im not helping the newbs" im going to graciously disagree with half your point.

i will agree that " most people that are giving advice are actually nice"
but not the people that are just smug neck beards looking down on others and refusing to help just to make their mediocre achievements feel greater.

[Rinhi]

considering the very first post comes down to "get gud" and "Im not helping the newbs" im going to graciously disagree with half your point.

i will agree that " most people that are giving advice are actually nice"
but not the people that are just smug neck beards looking down on others and refusing to help just to make their mediocre achievements feel greater.

again, what's the point of the unneeded vitriol and toxicity? can't you say it without insulting an imaginary enemy? always having to blame someone
if someone from the "bad players should git gud" group would make a similar post aimed at the other side you instantly have several posts screaming bloody murder about how toxic this player is and so on, yet posts like these rarely get called out
the hypocrisy is honestly fricking astounding

because we realize that its just a game and if you want to gate players from content for not being up to snuff and offer no help to them crossing the gap then we would rather you be the one removed from the game than them. its simple, yet complex to some.

jesus wept

[Nethereal]

again, what's the point of the unneeded vitriol and toxicity? can't you say it without insulting an imaginary enemy? always having to blame someone
if someone from the "bad players should git gud" group would make a similar post aimed at the other side you instantly have several posts screaming bloody murder about how toxic this player is and so on, yet posts like these rarely get called out
the hypocrisy is honestly fricking astounding



jesus wept

They judge you when you're asleep, they judge you when you're awake, they judge you when you're dead.

Big bad elitist boogie men coming for that booty.

Also the reason casuals have such extreme vitriol to this subject is because as humans we are all reward driven, and because one side can do something another side can't and get better results either because they don't have the time, are unable to, or weren't lucky enough, or simply because they don't want to they become resentful of the fact.

Think about it like this. Hard workers don't want Communism, lazy workers do.
Not only are they so inept and unable to see the natural consequence(some just don't care) of such actions they also are offended by you not wanting it.
You not wanting communism is indirectly calling them out for their inability to produce value in their social economic sphere.
The reason doesn't matter it could be anything from A to Z but the fact of the matter is that they've given up on producing value and therefore anyone who does produce value and doesn't share that with them is against them.

Instinctively they recognize their stance is a stance of weakness, you take that stance because you are weak. And because you are weak you have to preemptively strike anyone or anything that could possibly hurt you.

[DPZ2]

Think about it like this. Hard workers don't want Communism, lazy workers do.

This has got to be the least useful analogy I've read in this thread.

Stick with gaming analogies, because politics does not appear to be your forte.

As an aside, almost all workers seem to prefer the status quo, be they lazy, hard working, or indifferent.

[Nethereal]

This has got to be the least useful analogy I've read in this thread.

Stick with gaming analogies, because politics does not appear to be your forte.

As an aside, almost all workers seem to prefer the status quo, be they lazy, hard working, or indifferent.

Ah yes Cubans love the status quo.

My mistake.

[DPZ2]

Ah yes Cubans love the status quo.

My mistake.

Yeah, that's definitely the typical American view. Of course, the American's have done everything in their power over the last 50 years to make things as miserable as possible for the people of Cuba. Who wouldn't want a change?

[Mostly_Raxus]

again, what's the point of the unneeded vitriol and toxicity? can't you say it without insulting an imaginary enemy? always having to blame someone
if someone from the "bad players should git gud" group would make a similar post aimed at the other side you instantly have several posts screaming bloody murder about how toxic this player is and so on, yet posts like these rarely get called out
the hypocrisy is honestly fricking astounding



jesus wept

kinda think yall are reaching now
I'm so sorry i was condescending to a hypothetical ideal, i do hope you recover from the shock....

anyone doing anything to antagonize should be called out, regardless of sides, but a new player not knowing mechanics is not that, a veteran player harassing a sprout because they don't want to be bothered is.

so many people hold their head so high because they think themselves good at a game that is designed to be beaten.. they use that smug to look down on others instead of helping, granted they are usually the casuals pretending to be hardcore..
the real hardcore know how to help each other learn and keep the game a friendly environment for the sake of morale and completion.

these sudo elites that talk big on the form basically say to me that their minimum required dps parse cant carry someone threw content because they are alredy the carry.

there is a reason we have to watch cut-scenes in main scenario roulette and this community knows what side is to blame. the self centered elite that have no time for new players getting the same chance they did to experience the content as new.

[Nethereal]

kinda think yall are reaching now
I'm so sorry i was condescending to a hypothetical ideal, i do hope you recover from the shock....

anyone doing anything to antagonize should be called out, regardless of sides, but a new player not knowing mechanics is not that, a veteran player harassing a sprout because they don't want to be bothered is.

Honestly you seem like a new fresh face with a very valid opinion. All of this is true and I'm sure someone more invested in this particular part will do a better job than me responding to you.

But the people on these forums are a completely different beast.

If it was specifically aimed only at just you and your post alone it would be major reaching, you're kind of just the straw that broke the camel's back on this particular section of talk.
There are people on these forums who unironically admit to not using abilities because they don't like how they look or feel.

[Rinhi]

kinda think yall are reaching now
I'm so sorry i was condescending to a hypothetical ideal, i do hope you recover from the shock....

as nethereal said, it wasn't aimed at you directly but more or less aimed at similar posts, those who insult and flame everyone that isn't them while they're also the first ones to be offended at another player's behalf

anyone doing anything to antagonize should be called out, regardless of sides, but a new player not knowing mechanics is not that, a veteran player harassing a sprout because they don't want to be bothered is.

so many people hold their head so high because they think themselves good at a game that is designed to be beaten.. they use that smug to look down on others instead of helping, granted they are usually the casuals pretending to be hardcore..
the real hardcore know how to help each other learn and keep the game a friendly environment for the sake of morale and completion.

OP - and others including me - are talking about players who are at max level, of players who should know how to play their class at an average, decent level
not a single person is asking for savage/ultimate-tier performance from randoms and yet:
that's exactly what many of the people seem to think "we" want! for legitimately zero reason, too, only because it's easier to defend these "poor casuals" from those "toxic elitists" if the so called elitists are constantly painted as the big bad that's ruining everyone else's fun with [made up reasons] because ??? who knows
as you can read throughout the thread, most of those so-called "toxic elitists" are trying to help people and are met with negative responses because people do not like to have their bad playstyle/behaviour pointed out and will invent scenarios to make the person that tries to help look bad and said behaviour, if you experience it often enough, will also make the person trying to help less likely to help the next person that's struggling

hell, the OP you've decided is a bad guy is talking about that, too

Also, Im not going to bother trying to teach people things in game. Been there, done that. You get screamed at.

TO clarify: I'm mainly concerned about level 70-80 characters having these issues.

that's not: "considering the very first post comes down to "get gud" and "Im not helping the newbs" im going to graciously disagree with half your point."
that's: "I'm tired of being insulted for trying to help someone who shouldn't need help"

there is a reason we have to watch cut-scenes in main scenario roulette and this community knows what side is to blame. the self centered elite that have no time for new players getting the same chance they did to experience the content as new.

the actual self centered elite is still skipping those cutscenes, y'know, that never stopped

Let me give a new player perspective as I just started a few weeks ago. (my own, not speaking for anyone)

Most of us new players will get better but if we are frustrated and feel unwelcome then we won't be around in the end which may be the goal of this thread in the end for all I know. Placing impediments on players to keep them out of content is an MMO killer. This game has a rep of players being kind to each other but this thread reads suspiciously like a git gud M+ Wow thread.

this isn't about new players being treated badly, this thread is about players with a maxed out class playing like they never played it before, in "end game" content none the less