Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Jadedsins]

How convenient. You're expecting people to believe that someone can play 2 DoT based DPS jobs without understanding what a DoT is? 60 years olds are still very capable people, do better. Next you're gonna tell me they play BLM without using Fire spells or NIN without Mudras?

We really don't care what you think or believe. Does not change a thing sweetie. We use her age because we are understanding it is harder to teach her gaming things that are normal for us. Since this and animal crossing is the only games she ever played, and as you get older it does become harder to adapt. That is not the case for everyone but it is something to keep in mind.


and she wants to level them all up. SO maybe one day she will.

[Jadedsins]

How can he be reported if he never names them? For all anyone would know it was just some random individual that has 0 inkling about any of it.

People have gotten away with far worse on twitch, especially he himself, so I doubt he'd get any backlash.

Oh well if it is not in game. Who cares what he says on stream. LOL. That is his right and he can think what he wants. Why would that bother me?

[kaynide]

I'd have tried but opened chests where people don't roll on the loot makes it kinda hard :P
plus, the dps' did enough damage so everything got done in a relative timely fashion, the 5 minutes extra are not really a big deal

just for the record, wyv is defending his wife who actively does not use half of her abilities because she doesn't like the look of them - and how that's perfectly fine because it's "just" DF and that people should expect players who actively refuse to play their class in it and how people who expect more are toxic, tryhard elitists who don't have friends

Ah, well I would encourage her to play better..but my wife is pretty similar to be honest. She plays the game more or less like a chat room to socialize with her friends. Fortunately she is aware of her D- skill level..and never uses DF. She plays exclusively within our circle of RL friends.

[DPZ2]

How convenient. You're expecting people to believe that someone can play 2 DoT based DPS jobs without understanding what a DoT is? 60 years olds are still very capable people, do better. Next you're gonna tell me they play BLM without using Fire spells or NIN without Mudras?

To be fair, there are plenty of 13-90 year old players who apparently play BLM without Fire spells, at least according to all of the 'anecdotal' evidence I've been reading in the forums. Never ran across a single one, but then again, I've only been playing for 7 years. Perhaps tomorrow.

Age doesn't necessarily make one good at video games.

And skill at playing a video game doesn't necessarily make one good with social interactions. It does, however, seem to involve a lot of anger toward people who aren't as equally skilled, for some reason.

[SomeRandomHuman]

as you get older it does become harder to adapt.

Less "harder to adapt" and more "unwilling to adapt"

I've worked with very elderly people that can operate modern technology better than some younger adults.

Older folks just get what we call "set in their ways" because their habits are pretty automatic due to all the years.

[kaynide]

This. C level players will still use their basic rotations and, even if they are a little lazy about, still make use of their basic job mechanics.

F players are simply those like Wyv.

D players are typically the new players that will typically advance to the C skill level after getting to play for a while.

I'm not a min-max player. I'd put myself around the same range as C+ to B+ depending on the job and role.

Fair enough- My wife is also pretty bad, but I will say she can clear the content. She plays bard at maybe a D+/C-...but that's it! It's fine I think.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Fair enough- My wife is also pretty bad, but I will say she can clear the content. She plays bard at maybe a D+/C-...but that's it! It's fine I think.

As long as she keeps her DoTs up and has a song going at least part of the time she's got my support and blessings!

[Jadedsins]

Less "harder to adapt" and more "unwilling to adapt"

I've worked with very elderly people that can operate modern technology better than some younger adults.

Older folks just get what we call "set in their ways" because their habits are pretty automatic due to all the years.

Maybe, but I don't know enough about how age and the brain works to judge someone. Either way she is a sweet lady, and my husband explains things to her..but she does not understand. Like keeping track of icons and doing rotation and movements. It is too much for her to track. and she does just fine in the game. Husband wants to do Trust with her, but she told him that he will never replace her grandkids. (the twins.)

[Xtrasweettea]

Yup. A test that you had to beat in order to reach beyond level 70, not mandatory training to learn your job.

It must have been really popular, as I have spent lots of time reading about the .... nah, I haven't read anything nice about the obvious gatekeeping in FFXI. People complain about the gatekeeping in this game already.

Yeah, no, it became mandatory training to many who walked into the fight and got their ass handed to them within seconds. It was more than just about "the job", it was about using the whole system given to you: proper gear swapping to maximize spells/abilities, item usages, consumable effects, etc. Your "mandatory lesson" was levels 1-70, which was something that wasn't done in a week, like you could do here. If you didn't learn anything beyond hitting one or two abilities and auto-attacking throughout those 70 levels, you deserved to fail.

Also, lol "gatekeeping" that FFXI had. No it had a high barrier of entry, which is different.

Any gatekeeping came from players. Which, in a game were DF doesn't exist, and everything is PF, you lost EXP when you die, and you had to actually travel to the place you wanted to do stuff gatekeeping is expected. This is, of course you can even get a group together after shouting in one zone for several hours, since more-than-likely, there's 100s of DPS ready to join, but no Bards, Red Mages, and/or Corsairs (all buffing/enfeebling jobs in FFXI) who will join you.

[Shurrikhan]

And if players don't want to engage in that 25%, isn't that fine? "Working as intended"?

Shouldn't you be glad that the devs even give 25% to content for stuff that (according to you) isn't even used by a large amount of players? If nothing else doesn't that say the devs are listening and creating content for a niche group of the player base?

...wouldn't that suggest that "hardcore players" are the exception and not the norm?

(Why the assumption that I'm trying, above all, to defend "hardcore" content at the expense of non-hardcore players, here? I'm not a hardcore player, myself. Heck, this character has barely touched Savage this whole expansion.)

Across particular (but fairly wide) threshold, casual content can still be interesting to hardcore players, provided there's enough "stuff", gameplay-wise (moment to moment decisions, pacing, awareness, etc.) to be done in said content. The problem is those things won't actually appear as mechanics if there's no place in which they feel intended or pertinent. Hence hardcore content. It is the logical capitalization on the "stuff" which can fill out combat content, which is still 90% of the game. Even if you do not take part in it, it sets certain end-goals and thereby makes that "stuff" of combat meaningful.

Maybe there are other routes they could take to capstone the various mechanics and intricacies available to combat -- I sure as heck like more than just depleting a cylinder's HP value to 0 while dancing about a perfectly rectangular or circular room -- but a capstone will remain largely necessary.

But then that begs the question: why the heck wouldn't we want to facilitate the paths up to that content so that player could benefit directly from them as well? It's not a question of "hardcore" or "casual" so much as simply investment and payoff. You can't let go of the capstone span of content without the substance beneath it falling apart for lack of pertinence, but the capstone span of content isn't itself made accessible (by bringing players up rather than pulling it down)... that's a huge waste.