Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
But you do; you can choose to do your daily roulettes with a pre-set party (which I highly recommend). By doing the random DF, you are agreeing to take on whatever you get, be they dregs of society or the second coming of Christ himself.

@Rinhi and @Wavaryen
Sorry if this is presumptuous, but I feel you (and several others) are arguing strongly about completely different positions than you feel the other has.

My understanding is Rinhi and some others are arguing the F- crowd that AFKs and does not engage in content sucks and needs to improve. I think we all agree with that.

I think there is discussion to be had about how prevelant these F- players there actually are, and whether it's worth resources to force them to improve when we can(and should) kick them from content. For myself, I can't imagine this part of the population is more than even 1% of all players, and even then I'd bet they are just alt-trolls.

Wyvaryen and others (myself included) are arguing that your average C+ player, who can play and clear the content competently...but not necessarily as fast as your A+ player, is perfectly fine. Defending this position doesn't make him (or me) a leech or defender of leeches.
I'm not sure we agree on that, but the Devs seem to, so I'd think that makes this position acceptable.

Not meaning to put words in mouths, but it does feel like people are missing each others' points.
no, wyv is defending F- players and saying that those are perfectly fine and valid because they can clear the content and that everyone else is bad for not liking those players - and especially bad when other players ask those F- players to try to be better
I'm not talking about actual AFKers or people who don't do content, I'm talking about those F- players that actively refuse to try to be better, that actively berate and insult you for giving them advice because "DF lol"
I don't have a problem with C+ players - they can clear content fast enough, hell, I'd categorize myself as a C+ or maybe B- player even - but with people that actually PLAY the game and use their abilities I have no and I mean absolutely zero issues