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    OranKells's Avatar
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    Oran Kells
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    I mean, one could also interpret it as:

    The people trying to improve the playerbase: whining that certain players are playing the game as the devs designed/intended.

    The contrarians: playing the game as it was designed and/or intended.

    It's not some black and white "all casuals are lazy terrible players". The vast majority of casuals are competent at their rotations, although maybe not so much the perfect timing and/or weaving of skills/cool downs.
    There absolutely are lazy idiots and/or trolls out there, but the vast majority of casual players are those playing at maybe 75% efficiency; probably can't clear current-tier EX without a carry, but also probably don't care to do it in the first place.
    We're not talking about those who play at 75% efficiency. There are people playing closer to 5% that's a problem. You're using a straw man argument. And I would love to see the game design and intention that accounts not for the mediocre player but the spectacularly bad player.
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    Krotoan Argaviel
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    Quote Originally Posted by OranKells View Post
    We're not talking about those who play at 75% efficiency. There are people playing closer to 5% that's a problem.
    How big a problem are they though? Are they a big enough problem that we need to introduce entire systems to eliminate them or make them follow strategy?

    Or are they, as in my own experience, extremely rare to encounter ?

    I get a noticeably "bad" player in maybe 1 out of 200 runs. Someone who plays at 5% would be immediately noticeable in a dungeon so considering that until just recently I was running near all my roulettes a day you'd think I'd meet more. Personally I think there's a bigger problem with people who care way too much about what everyone else in the party is contributing than people who contribute too little.
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Quote Originally Posted by OranKells View Post
    We're not talking about those who play at 75% efficiency. There are people playing closer to 5% that's a problem. You're using a straw man argument. And I would love to see the game design and intention that accounts not for the mediocre player but the spectacularly bad player.
    Then we're not talking about improving the playerbase, as my quote was responding to. Nor are we talking about casuals. We're talking about a fraction of players who are mostly a lost cause.

    There are tool tips that explain the rotation. There are ample videos and general webpages talking about skills and/or the job rotations. Having resources available in game isn't going to improve players who are spectacularly bad and uncaring any more than the hall of novice does.
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