Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Rinhi]

the other side of the coin is: it counters all the points you make, too, so what now?

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Does it though? The community finds players like myself acceptable in DF. So not sure if your point counters it. So you can only use it to say. You should play how I want because this is a social game, and you are not meeting my standards. and I can just smile and say ok, get the group to kick me if they feel the same.


Safe bet is. That won't happen because the community is pretty understanding when it comes to DF. So even that is not really on your side.

you're speaking for the whole community now? because your experience doesn't mirror mine, I've seen no dps healers, cure spammers or single pullers being kicked almost immediately in "higher end" DF duties when it was obvious it'd make the run take too long or even impossible to complete, so we seem to be at an impasse when it comes to speaking for the greater community
plus, you in your own words have been kicked multiple times due to your playstyle before you went back on your word and said it was just once, so your own community seems to disagree

[Jadedsins]

the other side of the coin is: it counters all the points you make, too, so what now?

Does it though? The community finds players like myself acceptable in DF. So not sure if your point counters it. So you can only use it to say. You should play how I want because this is a social game, and you are not meeting my standards. and I can just smile and say ok, get the group to kick me if they feel the same.


Safe bet is. That won't happen because the community is pretty understanding when it comes to DF. So even that is not really on your side.

[MiaShino]

Just returned from one fantastic run of Crystal Tower and most amusing run of Amdapor Keep to.. you know what? Nope nope nope.

I will leave this here instead; "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Suggest that others do same thing and ignore this person so we can have constructive conversation because they have gone into a null loop. Now leaving projection station heading for stack overflow boulevard. At the least it's quarantined on Crystal and I can escape players like this by going to JP server. Best of the luck out there fellow adventurers! I said what I wished too and will leave now before I am banned from the forum.

For some reason the words "like blanking a board of wood" enters the mind.. unsure why. Who knows? Tis probably not important.

[Jadedsins]

Just returned from one fantastic run of Crystal Tower and most amusing run of Amdapor Keep to.. you know what? Nope nope nope.

I will leave this here instead; "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Suggest that others do same thing and ignore this person so we can have constructive conversation because they have gone into a null loop. Now leaving projection station heading for stack overflow boulevard. At the least it's quarantined on Crystal and I can escape players like this by going to JP server. Best of the luck out there fellow adventurers! I said what I wished too and will leave now before I am banned from the forum.

For some reason the words "like blanking a board of wood" enters the mind.. unsure why. Who knows? Tis probably not important.

Ya, I think you really do take this game way too serious. For one, just because we don't agree with each other. No need to name call. Second, this is a board. If you are willing to run away from someone who disagrees. It shows just how weak your stance is.

[FedoraTheExplorer]

It has a name: PuGs. Or "Pickup Groups". This is what you encounter in DF, and true to every PuG, people's skills will vary. You may get a group where everyone synergises well to speedrun the dungeon, or you may get grouped with a single pulling tank or no damage healer. When you sign up for DF, this is the risk you take.

So, what can you do about it?

Well... simply put, get over it. No one is going to play the game to your level or expectation and if it's so intolerable to you, you're aware you can always leave, right? Your healer isn't DPSing? Tank pulling too little? Just leave the party, lol. "But, but----" suck it up or leave the party or play with your friends.

Literally coming from someone who use to get mad about this stuff. It's just such a waste of energy and I have better things to be doing rather than getting annoyed by some rando in my party that I'll never see again anyways.

And just remember: you don't know what's going on on that person's end. There could be a real reason why someone isn't doing so hot, you know.

[Caitlyn]

As long as the content gets done. Does not matter at the end how it got done. This is a MMORPG right? So understand not everyone going to play how you want. This is not a single player game. That logic can be used both ways.

Then go play with your friends. Again logic can be used the same. DF is a tool. It has risks with it. Like my husband said. DF being too good, would hurt the social element of the game. If you want a group to play by your own standards. Be social and make friends and do content with them. DF should have risks with it to balance out the convenience it brings.

Well. I learned how to adjust. Can you say the same about yourself? I dont think so ; )

"As long as the content gets done" actually means: "As long I got carried by 3 other people, I dont care". Your post just shows how less you care about social elements.

Using the Duty Finder is not risky for the most part. In my experience, most players arent that brain dead and try to do their best. You can talk, explain and interact with them and even when it takes a bit longer, it was still a nice experience.
The rest are special snowflakes.

I saw nothing in the game rules that says I got to use skills I don't like.

What kind of logic is that? xD
I almost woke my lalafells up laughing.

[MiaShino]

So anyways, during my Amdapor Keep roulette I was able to witness one sprout and one returner learning as they played. It kinda reminds me of Dark Souls somewhat and am surprised I did not make this example sooner. Those games do not teach you anything yet there is desire to learn from accomplishment. I have assisted many players for some jolly cooperation and watching them learn as we progress through a level is most amusing! There they are trying to stay away from all the enemies. Ohhh they have figured out how to kick and now they are even attempting to parry?! You go and get them!

Our sprouty healer began the instance not doing any deeps and seemed unsure of themselves. The tank who I believe was returning player? They had the blooming flower where the sprout would be only did small pulls which is somewhat sadness inducing but they were super fricken observant. I have seen many tanks bolt away without paying much attention to where the party is. I got stuck in the chat and this person turned to wait for me and the healer who may have become lost.

Our lala healer casted two cure ones before bailing on them once they realized it would not be enough. They started by staying far far away from the mobs only dotting with some occasional stone. By the middle of the dungeon there they were casting holy, using presence of mind and swiftcast. They even used surecast! I see so so many not use arms length or casters not use the surecast button to prevent knockbacks or interrupts. Tis not the first time me or friends and family watched this happening either so learning from playing is definitely possible. It is also how I learned.

If you are out there two players, keep on doing what you are doing because you are one of the reasons I continue to play.

[Faafetai]

I just almost spit of my coffee laughing. Evil? raised? What are you talking about? I don't agree with you so what? If you care so much about your time being slowed because you group up with players like myself who enjoys the game. Than don't do DF. It is that simple, I don't care how you play, and you should not care how I play. If it is a problem vote kick us our of the group, but let me tell you most of the time. People won't because they are way more understanding. It is DF, and players who want to rush through it, or get upset cause of how some of us play in it. They are a rare case.


You can call me selfish or whatever, and I can do the same to you. I sign no contract on how I like playing when I group with you. I saw nothing in the game rules that says I got to use skills I don't like. It is not a guild, or linkshell that has a set rules. You did not make the group that says I must play in whatever way. So the only power you have is to vote kick and hope other people are just as silly as you are for having the run go a little bit slower cause you happen to group with me.

Good luck with that. Evil...lmao some of you take gaming wayyy too serious. I almost woke my husband up laughing.

I never once stated that I speed run dungeons, or that my times are being slowed down. I only posited one view point of a situation that could and/or may happen due to the example you had given. I have never agreed or disagreed with you, only offered different perspective. Unfortunately, I feel it will not be even considered, and am wondering if this is similar to the one guy who streams, who refused to do his job quests just to inconvenience others, griefing sprouts or people wishing to just enjoy the game. This person has an alt with all of the job quests completed and plays with a static pretty seriously, and seems to have made another character just to grief dungeons.

I never said that I wasn't understanding, if you wish to play as you do that is fine, have fun. The game is for people to have fun, but just don't grief a sprout with your mindset is all I am saying honestly. If someone is going through a dungeon, do not intentionally push your views on others who just wish to also have fun.

I mentioned being raised differently due to how people in other cultures seem more excepting of causing someone else the inability to complete a dungeon or causing someone else grief without thinking of the others around you. You have stated multiple times as well that you 'play your way' possibly to the detriment of others. I stated you were being selfish because you do not care about the people around you, even in duty finder. You will play however way you wish and take advantage of people, who may not even know they could kick someone or even understand they were intentionally not healed and possibly wonder if they had done something wrong. What if raise was a skill you did not like and you leave someone for their first time on the floor. You would be preventing someone from enjoying the game. They can not play when they are on the floor unable to raise themselves for a first time in a Trial or dungeon, they may have been looking forward to. That is evil. You have no clue what kind of day that person has had just because you selfishly stuck to 'your way' because the raise picture just does not appeal to you.

It is not gaming I am taking seriously. If you wish to also attempt to make me sound or look like a fool by all means. Laugh at how silly it is I care about people that are behind the computer monitor. I am beginning to wonder if people truly think that this is only a game full of npc's rather than people. If it were a game that did not have online interactions I would definitely understand, but this is a game that is rated PG-13 if I am not mistaken, so there may even be people who do not see this as a game that may even think the npc are real people, who know what someone situation or mental state may be at any age. Are you going to laugh at how silly someone else is if they do indeed take these this seriously. Just some food for thought is all. Cheers. Have fun.

Something a bit strange though, say you did not like the raise skill, I feel as though you may like it when you queue up with people you normally play with especially if it would prevent you from finishing a duty. As long as it gets done, that is all that matters. If I am remembering what was said prior.

[MiaShino]

Using the Duty Finder is not risky for the most part. In my experience, most players arent that brain dead and try to do their best. You can talk, explain and interact with them and even when it takes a bit longer, it was still a nice experience.
The rest are special snowflakes.

This is the important part Many of my more amusing times spent within FF14 land were not "optimal" runs of anything. Many times I found myself assisting someone with mechanics or small bits of advice when it was requested. Medical issues or other problems are also understandable as long as they try and are friendly there is no problem! Mah! I will never forget the time in umm Void Ark I believe where someone apologized for having epilepsy and were so worried when they died. The group that day was most supportive. They proceeded to remain two on the aggro list for remainder of the raid.

[strawberrycake]

Mandatory Tutorials in the beginning of the game as well as the skills one get as they lvl would/needs to be looked at.

At the bare minimum give everyone the respective skills they need to understand baseline, as in:
Tanks get:One AoE ability, One Defensive Cool Down, Provoke, And one SIngle Target Ability
DPS Get: One AoE ability, One SIngle Target Ability, One form of a Regen Cool down
Healers Get: AoE Heal Ability, Single Target heal Ability, One Single Target Damage ability, and one AoE Damage ability

By revamping the early game, and scaling it to account for the new changes This would make People have a base understanding of the game, along with a Tutorial where these abilities and skills must be used X amount of time to proceed. In my opinion its not a matter of if people play XIV casually, its the fact that some people are truly lost and don't know how this game functions. Asking these people to just understand what their roles does shouldn't be seen as asking the world of them. Because if more players just started kicking everytime you got these type of layers that would eventually become a problem.

In fact a few months ago I had an entire group of people (not a single one of them new) In Orboone, who were so used to being carried that myself and a friend who came with me for rouls had to teach people their roles, how to do certain mechs etc. Now this may have just been a really rare occurence, but that many people at max lvl shouldnt be that incompetent. In a recent interview YoshiP himself even said Such content as Allaiance raids are made with players in mind who just suck at the game, and thats just it, if too many players who suck at the game are in one place, its honestly just a vote abandon. But I digress.

Its not Elitism to ask someone to know the basics of their role, its not mean. the onus is on them for holding others back in group content. Thats life, if you work a job and don't know your position,you get fired.All in all, if you're not willing to teach, kick em, and black list them, they will be someone elses problem, and will either learn eventually, or just stop playing eventually.