Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Shurrikhan]

So everything you just said could be turned around for the other person as well. You wanting to get through the content as fast as you can, hinders my enjoyment to play how I want. As long as the content gets done even at a slower pace. I'm happy to play how I want to play and enjoy the game in my way. It is that simple, and is acceptable to the community for players such as myself in that settings. It is acceptable and the content is DESIGN around getting done with my level of skill. Someone who does not use certain skills i might not like. If players don't like the pace, get the others to vote kick or leave yourself. That is the only say and power you have. Any other will just be ignored, or get reported.

I never said every dungeon has to be speedrun. I even pointed out, myself, in the post you just quoted, that there are other means of enjoying content that are reasonable from the context of its situation and form.

I'm arguing only the idea that no expectations can ever be set, one way or the other, just because the players we encounter are random, is pure bogus. Joining a general pool does not exempt you from any and all expectations.

I will add this, though: the group matters. That the others are random doesn't give us license to wave high a "difference of playstyle" banner and go unchanged, either; you are in a group. Refusing to change for the majority around you is to force change upon them, because it is a group activity. Our "right" to play how we want when that play differs from others' preferred playstyles, in a group, is necessarily going to be in conflict with their "right" to play how they want. And, on the onset, we're the 1, not the n-1. We don't each have a party's worth of power, nor should we. So let's not call the would-be despot the victim here.

When whatever behaviors that would seemingly maximize enjoyment or interests met among my party are opposed from what I would want to do, I either just deal with it for that brief time or I leave so they've a chance at a better fit with my replacement.

[Jadedsins]

I never said every dungeon has to be speedrun. I even pointed out, myself, in the post you just quoted, that there are other means of enjoying content that are reasonable from the context of its situation and form.

I'm arguing only the idea that no expectations can ever be set, one way or the other, just because the players we encounter are random, is pure bogus. Joining a general pool does not exempt you from any and all expectations.

I will add this, though: the group matters. That the others are random doesn't give us license to wave high a "difference of playstyle" banner and go unchanged, either; you are in a group. Refusing to change for the majority around you is to force change upon them, because it is a group activity. Our "right" to play how we want when that play differs from others' preferred playstyles, in a group, is necessarily going to be in conflict with their "right" to play how they want. And, on the onset, we're the 1, not the n-1. We don't each have a party's worth of power, nor should we. So let's not call the would-be despot the victim here.

When whatever behaviors that would seemingly maximize enjoyment or interests met among my party are opposed from what I would want to do, I either just deal with it for that brief time or I leave so they've a chance at a better fit with my replacement.

I understand what you were saying, I was just trying to point out that because DF groups don't have prerequisite on player skills. Anything one side can say about ruining fun, or dealing with people. Can be used by the other side. It is a losing battle for both sides.




It is like playing a board game, and the board game does not have any rules. You follow your own code, I follow mine. We can't argue with each other as the board game does not allow it. So who is right on how they play said board game? That is DF.

[Faafetai]

I understand what you were saying, I was just trying to point out that because DF groups don't have prerequisite on player skills. Anything one side can say about ruining fun, or dealing with people. Can be used by the other side. It is a losing battle for both sides.




It is like playing a board game, and the board game does not have any rules. You follow your own code, I follow mine. We can't argue with each other as the board game does not allow it. So who is right on how they play said board game? That is DF.

Now imagine that I am your tank and you are my healer. We are in Mt Gulg. Do you think we would clear the dungeon if you were only using cure 1 and I were using no cooldowns whilst I decided to do 'The pull of legends'. Would you truly be content not able to clear the duty you queued for via the 'convenient duty finder', timer to lockout of the story mode dungeon ticking down. Maybe this is the dps' first time here and they are stuck with a tank and a healer who are 'playing their way' which in turn is not letting them clear the duty. They can not solo the dungeon, they just wished to have fun, but they are just dying over and over again, due to others on their team being selfish.

Maybe I was just raised differently, but this is just evil. Truly, truly evil. You probably do not care because you are playing the board game with no rules, but the board game always had rules. You are taking the board game they wished to play with you, and throwing it into a volcano. It is a blatant disregarded to the well being of those around you and you should be ashamed.

[Jadedsins]

Pfffffffffffff, I figured out that Jadedsins was the wife before even finishing reading through the posts. Same style, same talking points.

Balmung > Crystal. Now I understand the meme, I thought it might be one of those things that people say and it is not really true but holy jeebus. I am tapping out "who cares as long as we complete the duty" broke the mind. It is over for me.. Mia. I will be M.I.A.

This is the only multiplayer game I have ever played where people act this way, never in all my time have I seen something so patently absurd.

The way you are acting. Yes we would be very much happy if you did not Queue in DF. You act like you have a moral backing behind you because we don't agree. Raised better? Come on now. That is funny, because a game is just a game. I don't need progression to enjoy the game. You take this game far too serious, your whole examples made me chuckle. Like, not everyone has the same values as you. DF content is design for people who can play how they want and still get through it. No need to be a drama queen about "skill" in a match making system.

[ZedxKayn]

lol

[DynnDiablos]

The way you are acting. Yes we would be very much happy if you did not Queue in DF. You take this game way too serious, and act like you have a moral backing behind you because we don't agree. Raised better? Come on now. That is funny, because a game is just a game. I don't need progression to enjoy the game. You take this game far too serious, your whole examples made me chuckle. Like, not everyone has the same values as you. DF content is design for people who can play how they want and still get through it. No need to be a drama queen about "skill" in a match making system.

I am not sure why this game is treated like some professional job to some people. It's a GAME.

[Endariel]

I am not sure why this game is treated like some professional job to some people. It's a GAME.

but we did never emphasize that it's a job? Yet again an unnecessary hyperbole.
But what i'm arguing about.
It's impossible to change the mindset of a casual ultimate

[Rinhi]

I am not sure why this game is treated like some professional job to some people. It's a GAME.

it's a game, exactly!
so people should actually play it instead of refusing to with some asinine excuse for why they're not doing it

[Jadedsins]

it's a game, exactly!
so people should actually play it instead of refusing to with some asinine excuse for why they're not doing it

People are playing the game, and getting through the content without meeting your standards.

but we did never emphasize that it's a job? Yet again an unnecessary hyperbole.
But what i'm arguing about.
It's impossible to change the mindset of a casual ultimate

Just how people are acting and examples people gave. It pretty much seems like a job the way people acting about it.

Also nothing wrong with being a casual. This is a casual game and the community embraces it.

[DynnDiablos]

it's a game, exactly!
so people should actually play it instead of refusing to with some asinine excuse for why they're not doing it

I know my job's rotations thanks and I do well and don't just sit there. I do PLAY...doesn't mean I like elitists trying to harp on every little thing people do wrong in DF. Don't like roulette? Stay the heck out of it or form a party with people you know. I play this game for the story/gathering/crafting. Roulettes and DF runs are simply for tomes and gil for me. I am not looking for someone to be parsing me and expecting the ultimate in perfection in a daily roulette in Satasha. Thankfully, YOU are not on my DC so I never have to worry about being plopped in a party with you.