Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Krotoan]

I see.

I mean, I get things getting toxic because of fails in random DF with PUG style play, but with pre organized parties, I thought this kind of option would be more akin to endgame raiders where they are working towards being able to clear in a set amount of time. Or whatever else options to make it harder for some kind of reward.

Stuff like don’t avoid damage indicator equals instant death, or 1 party death equals a wipe and end of dungeon (no retry). I’m sure some people would eat that up, and I wouldn’t mind trying it out with friends.

I'm reasonably sure that the request being discussed is referring to DF runs and the like where you don't really have control over your party members. People who are receptive to improvement aren't who the topic was created for and the people who need the improvement and refuse to change aren't likely going to be lured in by even stricter optional runs even if you dangle some tasty carrots in front of them. They're just trying to pass, not make deans list.

Having optional objective rewards sounds fun and like something to add "content" using existing resources, but wouldn't affect the problem population this topic is about.

[kaynide]

I'm reasonably sure that the request being discussed is referring to DF runs and the like where you don't really have control over your party members. People who are receptive to improvement aren't who the topic was created for and the people who need the improvement and refuse to change aren't likely going to be lured in by even stricter optional runs even if you dangle some tasty carrots in front of them. They're just trying to pass, not make deans list.

Having optional objective rewards sounds fun and like something to add "content" using existing resources, but wouldn't affect the problem population this topic is about.

Fair point, but I think the root of the problem is a chunk of the player base wants to see excellence in player skill, and more options to shine in excellence where (as you said) most of the player base just doesn’t care because there isn’t a need to improve. And then I think the complaints come out of boredom from these players at the general apathy of the average player.

As you said, just a passing score is enough for most players, myself included.

I just thing creating a pocket of content (deans list!) outside the norm would give people who crave excellence a place to go together and play together with regular weekly content. They can work on regularly with like minded players on hard content. Even if it’s just dungeons.

As is once you can reliably clear ultimate Alexander/eden savage and have everything you wanted from it, what is there to do next for the end game raid community? Gear for alts? (I honestly don’t know, this is not meant sarcastically).

I dunno, make it give 2-3x XP/tomestones as roulette and I’d be first in line to up my game. As is, if I want to feel challenged with button presses I’ll play something like Ori.