Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Seera1024]

Because the game is way too easy now. You can just mash your controller/keyboard and stumble through every piece of content barring EX/Savage.

There hasn’t been a challenging dungeon in years but the decision to put them all behind MSQ made it even worse. You can’t scale the difficulty too high because then you’d lock players out of finishing the story. So they’re all absolute face roll stuff.

If there’s no in game indicator you’re doing something “wrong” you’ll never be prompted to reevaluate how to get better.

A major problem with putting those indicators in group content is that when a player hits that wall, it affects more than just the player in question.

Meaning 1 or more of the following could happen:

1. Player with the problem assumes it's someone else. Either due to ego or ignorance

2. Player gets kicked from the dungeon by others who want to go faster - meaning the player doesn't get the ability to learn. Maybe the next group will be able to carry them past that part without any trouble.

3. Other players are impacted. Some don't mind with this happens. Others mind. And those groups don't tend to mix well.

A better place would be in the solo duties in the MSQ and/or the story quests. Where the player can't shift the blame to other players. Where a player can spend the time to get better without fear of being kicked because they wiped again to same mechanic. Where it does not impact other players.

[Kes13a]

Honestly, this is the one factor that may force me to go back to WoW; toxic and grindy, and stupid as it is. There, I don't have to do dungeons if I don't want to. I'm not going to get the best loot and that's fine; I don't need it for open world content. But in FF14 if I want to advance the story, I have no choice; I HAVE to do group content. I have a level 36 character at the moment who hasn't been contacted by a Grand Company...whatever that is, who can't get a mount, who has no idea where to go to see more of the main story and I think I've figured out that it's because I haven't done any dungeons beyond Tam-Tara (although nowhere is that stated in exactly those words...not in any doco, website, youtube video, tutorial or anywhere else). And that makes me very uncomfortable for exactly the expectations expressed by some in this thread. "You're not doing it right!" I don't want to bother other people by not playing they way they expect me to. Nor do I want to have to rely on others to play through the game; I just want to be left alone.

Kaylal, if you do a google for lancer job quests or drg when you get there, it will tell you places you need to go for your jobs. usually if you check out any blue quest icons you see, those are quite often going to be dungeons you can do along the way.

As for the GC/chocobo, it comes in later now because xp is pretty generous, so although I think it says level 20-25ish, its easy, and likely, you get directed there well past that level. I think when I made another character to run with a friend we were late 30's before we joined a grand company and got the chocobo. If you were on Crystal data center would take you places to make sure you are getting things.

[lezard21]

At the end of the day though this is all hopeful dreaming. Squarenix is a japanese company and these problems don't exist at all in the japanese data centers. Not only are the japanese community overall better players (as demonstrated in the Savage clear rates) but also they are a lot less self centered and a lot more respectful of other people's time than the American community. There is a reason why we have the "you don't pay my sub" meme here.

It almost motivates me to try and learn japanese in order to move over to one of their data centers.

[SniperCT]

Kaylal, if you do a google for lancer job quests or drg when you get there, it will tell you places you need to go for your jobs. usually if you check out any blue quest icons you see, those are quite often going to be dungeons you can do along the way.

As for the GC/chocobo, it comes in later now because xp is pretty generous, so although I think it says level 20-25ish, its easy, and likely, you get directed there well past that level. I think when I made another character to run with a friend we were late 30's before we joined a grand company and got the chocobo. If you were on Crystal data center would take you places to make sure you are getting things.

GC and chocobo stuff comes pretty much after bowl of embers (ifrit).

[Kes13a]

Oh I understand getting the occasional inexperienced tank (even if increasingly less so with levels past their boost when the MSQ experience clearly went to another job).

I just don't understand the hypocrisy of saying that a party asking their tank (who has yet to drop below 80% HP even without getting a single GCD heal during the fight itself) to pull more than a single pack at a time is "forcing" their playstyle upon others and has breached the ToS even while insisting that the tank refusing to pull more, despite being fully able to survive without a single press other than to spam their first AoE button, is somehow blameless.

One is a request that the bottlenecking individual follow majority preferences, at least to the extent possible for that individual. The other is a literal barrier, penetrable only by a kick.

unless the bottleneck is a complete jerk and toxic as heck... why kick from a 20 minute or so dungeon , just finish and move on.

[Shurrikhan]

these problems don't exist at all in the japanese data centers.

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It almost motivates me to try and learn japanese in order to move over to one of their data centers.

If you had learned the language, you'd know otherwise.

unless the bottleneck is a complete jerk and toxic as heck... why kick from a 20 minute or so dungeon , just finish and move on.

Never said I would. It hardly seems time-efficient in most cases, except on the rare occasion their afk stops or arrogant ravings made the run slower than a tank-less 3-man. That, sadly, has happened on occasion.

I only noted the discrepancy between one "compelled" playstyle being effective only under active measures (reading the chat and actually giving a damn about others in one's party) from the person the playstyle is being requested of and the other being effective at all times except under those active measures from that person. And, of course, the prior then being called a breach of ToA, but not the latter. Such seemed more than a bit hypocritical.

[Kes13a]

I think I recall seeing something about this, but actually acting on it is grey area? I'd like an official response on it, but

if you read the ToS its a VERY broad interpretation of section to apply it to a tank not pulling everything. I have a hard time seeing a GM using that section to enforce anything unless the tank was able.. somehow, to pull the mobs one at a time.

I dont think 'impatience' is considered a good enough reason for a report or action

[Kes13a]

If you had learned the language, you'd know otherwise.



Never said I would. It hardly seems time-efficient in most cases, except on the rare occasion their afk stops or arrogant ravings made the run slower than a tank-less 3-man. That, sadly, has happened on occasion.

I only noted the discrepancy between one "compelled" playstyle being effective only under active measures (reading the chat and actually giving a damn about others in one's party) from the person the playstyle is being requested of and the other being effective at all times except under those active measures from that person. And, of course, the prior then being called a breach of ToA, but not the latter. Such seemed more than a bit hypocritical.

oh, yeah if they are afking and raving lol, definitely need to be somewhere else, I agree. and yeah, seen that too.. or, a tank that from the word go, pulled everything, then left the party... seen that before too, the rest of us were "did that really just happen?"

[Broken_Wind]

Define 'wrong'

As a tank I keep every mob on me no dropped aggro, but I only did 1-2 packs at a time and not wall to wall. Am I wrong for going at a pace I feel comfortable with and know I will get everyone through the content.

As a DPS am I wrong for singling out that Wasp that has a near OHK first before aoeing everything the tank brought together. Does it take a few extra seconds to get through everything yes, but I killed something that could have messed up how the group was rolling.

As a healer I throw out a GCD barrier a bit more often because I want a little more 'cushion' on the tank's health just incase someone misses a wasp sting or similar, my DPS is slightly down but I minimized the chance of a hiccup, lagspike, etc screwing my healing up by being slightly proactive.

They might not be 'optimal' in many people's eyes, but are those playstyles truly 'wrong'...no.

There is no argument to be made that pulling one pack at a time is wrong. I know this post was focused on end game stuff, but if pulling only one pack at a time is wrong so is not full clearing a dungeon like Brayflox. Or skipping treasure chests without checking to see if anyone in group might need loot.

Now if you would like the game to teach some things that are different than other MMOs, such as melee positionals and the importance that tanks should stay still when possible, that is a different story. And some of the OP was valid.
But I think this is more of a case where the OP is impatient and should premake his groups/roulettes so they match his playstyle.

And from my limited experience the JP servers seem to be less risk takers, so you are more likely to see smaller tank pulls and less healer dps there at the tradeoff of less deaths. As a small example, they kill the trash in Prae instead of having everyone click through the teleporters

[linayar]

One is a request that the bottlenecking individual follow majority preferences, at least to the extent possible for that individual. The other is a literal barrier, penetrable only by a kick.

It's not a request if a kick is the alternative for rejecting that request. So, yes, only one side is compelling playstyle on others here.

To clarify, let's take a look at the actual rule: "Expressions that compel a playing style."

"Hey, just so you know, since we're a fully geared party, you can and should pull more."
"Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I'm more comfortable with, and so prefer to make, smaller pulls."

Of the above two polite statements, the first comes closer to being an expression that compels a play style as it is telling others what to do while the second is a personal statement.