Please implement something to teach players how to play

[usernameuwu]

Some people play this game casually, hate to break it to you. Not everyone is going to be up to the same speed as you with the game.

but it takes like no effort to play your class efficiently. most people who love their class, like to research into it and play it better.
there are websites with literal pictures of each class rotation and openers/.


i dont understand this casual = "its ok to be bad". im pretty casual too. i clear 2-3 savages per expansion as healer, but otherwise a complete gardening potato.

[Arkevorkhat]

Some people play this game casually, hate to break it to you. Not everyone is going to be up to the same speed as you with the game.

On the other side of this, these new players aren't being given the support they would need to be able to improve even if they wanted to. Forcing people into a mandatory tutorial won't fix the problem, but fixing the existing tutorial to teach more about each role's play pattern would. Quite simply, I think Hall of the Novice should have tutorials available running all the way up to the level cap. Still giving the Brand New Ring at the end of the "Basic Training" arc, but really, there needs to be more.

As it is right now, the only sources for reliable, easily accessed information are third party websites run by one particular discord community, you know which one.

[Miracle_Diva]

On the other side of this, these new players aren't being given the support they would need to be able to improve even if they wanted to. Forcing people into a mandatory tutorial won't fix the problem, but fixing the existing tutorial to teach more about each role's play pattern would. Quite simply, I think Hall of the Novice should have tutorials available running all the way up to the level cap. Still giving the Brand New Ring at the end of the "Basic Training" arc, but really, there needs to be more.

As it is right now, the only sources for reliable, easily accessed information are third party websites run by one particular discord community, you know which one.

Simple solution:
make community guides a thing accessible in game. There're TONS of useful guides on the internet. Job guides, dungeon/trial/raid guide, etc.

[Arkevorkhat]

Simple solution:
make community guides a thing accessible in game. There're TONS of useful guides on the internet. Job guides, dungeon/trial/raid guide, etc.

I agree in theory, but in practice, I'd worry about the need for moderation and vetting, and who would be responsible for doing so.
As much as it pains me to say, it seems like the GMs especially are somewhat disconnected, for lack of a better term, from the game at large; they mostly seem to keep to themselves and they often don't understand hard content. That deficiency in understanding has caused me issues when I made a GM call against a person who was griefing in a Savage party finder.

[Miracle_Diva]

I agree in theory, but in practice, I'd worry about the need for moderation and vetting, and who would be responsible for doing so.
As much as it pains me to say, it seems like the GMs especially are somewhat disconnected, for lack of a better term, from the game at large; they mostly seem to keep to themselves and they often don't understand hard content. That deficiency in understanding has caused me issues when I made a GM call against a person who was griefing in a Savage party finder.

I don't think that putting guides for moderation before they see the world is such a difficult thing. It's simpler than to rework HoN or add another system for sure.
A lot of people just don't like to look for things themselves, but with in game guides it would make their life easier.

[SniperCT]

Wow did this, it lasted like an expansion and a half before they got rid of it.

Problem was it wasn't at all indicative of how an actual dungeon would go and depending on your class much, much harder than simply ..running a dungeon. And you had to do this to be able to enter heroic dungeons. It was a failed experiment. I'm a good, experienced player and it was a major PITA on some of my classes. It wasn't fun, it didn't teach me anything, and I don't know anyone who liked it or thought it was at all useful beyond basically being a gatekeeping function.

So yeah, we don't really need this in FF14, please and thank you.

[SniperCT]

Also if you want people to learn to AOE, maybe some DPS classes should be given AOE skills at lower levels so players have more time to adjust to that change in playstyle. *stares at DRG*

[SniperCT]

I do agree that classes should have AOE access earlier, but then to counter, do people just look at those skills and decide they are just not a part of their kit?

When I got AOEs on DRG, I was ecstatic. The single target days were over!

I want people to keep in mind that Im mostly angry about level 70-80 people not having an idea. I feel like 30 levels of having access to an AOE should let you know its probably a thing.

I wonder if part of it is some people not being used to classes with AOEs. I mained rogue in wow from launch until I came here 2 years ago, and it was 'lol what's an aoe' for most of the time playing that class, until FoK got buffed, except for blade flurry for one spec, but then they made blade flurry a cooldown instead of a toggle and meh)

Then I picked DRG and it was 'where my aoe I can't big deeps these packs you all keep pulling like madmen' lol

I still hate big pulls tbh. I always try to pull as many packs as I think a) the healer can heal through and b) we have the DPS for. This game is weird in that it's easier at higher levels to do that than lower levels lol

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I… don’t know.

We get that large notifications when we learn a new skill & trait and yet we still see people be like i.e:“Omg since when Sacred Soil has regen effect???” at 80.

Is the notification not large enough? Wasn’t that enough to spur player to be interested & want to read their new tools? Apparently not every player do.

At the end of the day, if a player themselves doesn’t want to improve then they’re not going to, period.