Please implement something to teach players how to play

[MiaShino]

context here says that he is in fact the one screaming.

You said lots of other stuffs but I actually agree with much of this post making me wonder if English is not the native language and there was misunderstanding? Many apologies if you are a sensible person and I was rude, English is not my native language.

I think those people are the actual elitists/casuals that everyone is mistaking everyone else for, or are they the ones who are doing these things in the first place and are projecting. This whole thread is really giving me some insight within the psyche of those players.

Mmhmm! Others tend to grow reeeeal feisty when they feel they are being called out, tis the old guilty conscious acting up again.

Two of them were posting here nonstop until they reached their post limit.. I wish I had not googled their forum name because woah! Every single forum they post on they pick fights. There they are on the Ubisoft forums starting things. Ohhh now on reddit. Hey there they are on the Blizzard forums too, same post style and same names. Do not look at their twitter or Instagram.. trust this Mia.

If MSQ didn't work fine as a tutorial, everyone would be failing at 80.

Hmm. I have been playing for ummmm I would say nine-ish months on and off but not consistently for point of reference. Pretty much everything I learned about FF14 was from friends, exploring and trying new things or clearing fights at low ilvl, guides plus youtube or twitch annnnnnnd, others within the game.

If the msq taught me anything (job quests included) it is that other Eorzean's despise the local flora and fauna and I need to find a way around these telewarp costs they are really starting to add up.

[Nethereal]

*snip*

When you realize it's not a troll. I googled.

[Mostly_Raxus]

You said lots of other stuffs but I actually agree with much of this post making me wonder if English is not the native language and there was misunderstanding? Many apologies if you are a sensible person and I was rude, English is not my native language.

All good no need to apologize, I'm not trying to make enemies here or take sides, I'm just saying that people need to treat people with respect, all players should value each other regardless of player skill.

[SannaR]

Whatever hests, leves, roulette's are, we're not doing them yet. I'm doing the dungeons/raids or whatever that the MSQ makes me do and thus it's the first time I have been there and likely to fail non obvious mechanics the first time. We also won't be doing these dungeons again for a long time. I just made it through ARR post game slog and have a pile of expacs to catch up on. I am not going to remember that king moogle fight

For veteran players, you have done these dungeons/raids whatever dozens if not hundreds of times. It's not reasonable to expect new players to be close to that level because the Crystal tower may be old hat to you, but to us it's a forced raid we know nothing about. Expecting us to stop everything and read strats during leveling content is a silly demand.

From a new healers perspective? I do try to dps and heal and juggle that but I prioritize healing like 90 to 10 because I have seen tanks just melt so ridiculously fast and have to panic heal them. All the while looking at health bars and orange squares and circles. Now if I had done your dungeon a dozen or so more times, yeah. I would be more effective but expecting that out of the gate is unreasonable

The best thing to do is communicate with your team. Teamwork means more than "here to make your run smoother" You have to remember that Wow refugees are used to toxic runs where being new is worth being kicked for an overgeared replacement. You see a sprout, assume they are keeping quiet because being noticed tends to be negative. Even being generic with the strats can help "Remember, Dracula only bloodsucks of faze three which after he taunts us in bat form and we need to kill his werewolf minions except the grey wolf that's here to help us cause he's Han Velsing in disguise" Doesn't single anyone out and makes your runs smoother

Most of us new players will get better but if we are frustrated and feel unwelcome then we won't be around in the end which may be the goal of this thread in the end for all I know. Placing impediments on players to keep them out of content is an MMO killer. This game has a rep of players being kind to each other but this thread reads suspiciously like a git gud M+ Wow thread.

Who made you read guides for ARR stuff? Also no one remembers how to do Thornmarch. Most of the time no one talks though. How are we to know you're not someone's alt in disguise or that you're not going to berate someone who wants to help give you tips or that during Sophia that those who get the black and white circles around them need to hug their opposite color buddy so that they don't receive a debuff and might give the whole party a semi strong paralyze? A lot of Veterans don't speak up due to them not wanting to be ignored or given the " Thouest doesn't payeth mine sub" or some sort of STFU you elitist asshat I didn't ask for advice or want to know what went wrong on that boss pull.

[Caurcas]

Respect and ire are both earned, indifference is free. Although indifference is not what we are talking about here.

[SturmChurro]

The problem is many players are choosing not to respect other players by playing so poorly; they are choosing not to use their kit properly (or just simply not using skills altogether). They become a burden, wasting other players time, and have to be carried through content they couldn't otherwise complete. There are times when content can't even be cleared because of this, since not everyone is pulling their weight. In party based content players are meant to actually work together.

[Mostly_Raxus]

The problem is many players are choosing not to respect other players by playing so poorly; they are choosing not to use their kit properly (or just simply not using skills altogether). They become a burden, wasting other players time, and having to be carried through content they couldn't otherwise complete; there are times when content can't even be cleared, because of this since not everyone is pulling their weight. In party based content players are meant to actually work together.

I hear your point, i really do, but theses so called standards only exist if everyone agrees to them, if you want speed runs/achievement runs/skipped CS's/excreta you go in to that with everyone wanting that, sometimes people want to be lazy and just take it slow, and i know how frustrating it can be when in a hurry, but if its randoms from DF then you cant dictate their involvement in play.

trust me when i say this, make your own grps and you will be much happier, or you will spend all your time trying to heard cats..

its not worth the effort, and you wont win against someone not wanting to participate, and you harassing them for it and catching a ban will do nothing, only queue with your FC if it bothers you, or try to just say F-it and enjoy the ride not the the chest at the end.

[Nethereal]

I hear your point, i really do, but theses so called standards only exist if everyone agrees to them, if you want speed runs/achievement runs/skipped CS's/excreta you go in to that with everyone wanting that

We're not asking for speed runs, we're asking for you to try your best and not intentionally waste other peoples time because your best isn't required.
If you are intentionally wasting other people's time and you openly admit to it then it doesn't matter what standards anyone has or places, you are disrespecting everyone you were doing content with as a matter of fact.

[SturmChurro]

I hear your point, i really do, but theses so called standards only exist if everyone agrees to them, if you want speed runs/achievement runs/skipped CS's/excreta you go in to that with everyone wanting that, sometimes people want to be lazy and just take it slow, and i know how frustrating it can be when in a hurry, but if its randoms from DF then you cant dictate their involvement in play.

trust me when i say this, make your own grps and you will be much happier, or you will spend all your time trying to heard cats..

its not worth the effort, and you wont win against someone not wanting to participate, and you harassing them for it and catching a ban will do nothing, only queue with your FC if it bothers you, or try to just say F-it and enjoy the ride not the the chest at the end.

The standards exist in the difficulty of the content. If there are no players left in the DF to actually carry these players, they literally won't be able to complete content. That's the simple fact of the matter. For that matter, many of them - apparently - even have trouble completing MSQ content! It looks to be the reason why Yoshida is hesitant to actually add things like harder 4-player content, since each player would have to really pull their weight then. At this point, the type of content that would actually cater to this type of player would probably amount to a walking (or AFK) simulator!

Instead I think more players should just respect each other, and play the game at an adequate level. Then everyone could benefit, and content wouldn't have to be potentially 'streamlined' even more to cater to players who choose to play at this level.

[Mostly_Raxus]

The standards exist in the difficulty of the content. If there are no players left in the DF to actually carry these players, they literally won't be able to complete content. That's the simple fact of the matter. For that matter, many of them - apparently - even have trouble completing MSQ content! It looks to be the reason why Yoshida is hesitant to actually add things like harder 4-player content, since each player would have to really pull their weight then. At this point, the type of content that would actually cater to this type of player would probably amount to a walking (or AFK) simulator!

Instead I think more players should just respect each other, and play the game at an adequate level. Then everyone could benefit, and content wouldn't have to be potentially 'streamlined' even more to cater to players who choose to play at this level.

I agree, but especially for new player and casuals alike they dont learn they are doing something wrong till they are yelled at and ridiculed over it..

this game sets a weird standard, onew the long time players know and the new players fear.

ACT: aka the dps metor..

New players are told they will be banned for using it, and i don't think i ever saw a training dummy in open world inside of the lochs i believe.

How is someone new or not deep in the community even supposed to figure out their rotation, they are told that hard core is evil here and this game is about fun.

Then they get to endgame with mechanics plus tight enrage timers requiring optimal performance, and they get laughed out and never go back..

all wile the hard core players have all the houses with private dummy and their dps meter to parse themself till they have that 100% parse down.

there is no entry level for new players outside of other players helping and explaining.