Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Mostly_Raxus]

to long didn't read, tried to skim it but is sounded self serving and smug attempt to be facetious, i'm sure in your specific hypothetical scenario you are a golden god of righteousness... but none of it matters in a random queue where a computer pairs you with other wanting to run. its not your party its not your show to run, you are only as important as anyone else there, no one is acting like a sprout invited themselves to you static savage farm. yall are mad that people in the first month of their game that are still getting threw the quest line don't know the mechanics to a dungeon that they unlocked 20 mins ago somehow is impeding you game play experience, even tho all those dungeons bosses are easily solo-able for most that know the mechanics. and if not are at least do-able down one person who caught a mechanic.

get over yourself, or go play a game that reinforces your toxic behavior. i here LoL would love to roast you.

[Rinhi]

to long didn't read, tried to skim it but is sounded self serving and smug attempt to be facetious, i'm sure in your specific hypothetical scenario you are a golden god of righteousness... but none of it matters in a random queue where a computer pairs you with other wanting to run. its not your party its not your show to run, you are only as important as anyone else there, no one is acting like a sprout invited themselves to you static savage farm. yall are mad that people in the first month of their game that are still getting threw the quest line don't know the mechanics to a dungeon that they unlocked 20 mins ago somehow is impeding you game play experience, even tho all those dungeons bosses are easily solo-able for most that know the mechanics. and if not are at least do-able down one person who caught a mechanic.

get over yourself, or go play a game that reinforces your toxic behavior. i here LoL would love to roast you.

holy sh- dude, it's NOT about new players, is that concept so hard to grasp?!
for the millionth time, it's about players with possibly hundreds of hours playing at early ARR level because the game (and coddling community) allows you to do so due to the various nerfs and very easy difficulties the solo duties have

please people, please read more than the first and last page of a thread before you jump into it and decide to "dunk" on whatever side you dislike more, this isn't reddit
just a modicum of effort when it comes to having a discussion, please?

[XabyTimberwolf]

Let me give a new player perspective as I just started a few weeks ago. (my own, not speaking for anyone)

Been a conjurer/white mage the entire time and haven't been contacted with positive or negative anything as of yet. Am trying this game out while on a Wow hiatus but not here because some annoying streamers or their fans showed up.

While you may find new players a bane on progression, here is what many of us are going through as we try to figure this game out from our new player brains, using our new player character in this new world of new rules, new mechanics and new expectations.

Many are like myself leveling on road to 70 servers and are just doing MSQ/class quests and no side content. Whatever hests, leves, roulette's are, we're not doing them yet. I'm doing the dungeons/raids or whatever that the MSQ makes me do and thus it's the first time I have been there and likely to fail non obvious mechanics the first time. We also won't be doing these dungeons again for a long time. I just made it through ARR post game slog and have a pile of expacs to catch up on. I am not going to remember that king moogle fight

For veteran players, you have done these dungeons/raids whatever dozens if not hundreds of times. It's not reasonable to expect new players to be close to that level because the Crystal tower may be old hat to you, but to us it's a forced raid we know nothing about. Expecting us to stop everything and read strats during leveling content is a silly demand.

From a new healers perspective? I do try to dps and heal and juggle that but I prioritize healing like 90 to 10 because I have seen tanks just melt so ridiculously fast and have to panic heal them. All the while looking at health bars and orange squares and circles. Now if I had done your dungeon a dozen or so more times, yeah. I would be more effective but expecting that out of the gate is unreasonable

The best thing to do is communicate with your team. Teamwork means more than "here to make your run smoother" You have to remember that Wow refugees are used to toxic runs where being new is worth being kicked for an overgeared replacement. You see a sprout, assume they are keeping quiet because being noticed tends to be negative. Even being generic with the strats can help "Remember, Dracula only bloodsucks of faze three which after he taunts us in bat form and we need to kill his werewolf minions except the grey wolf that's here to help us cause he's Han Velsing in disguise" Doesn't single anyone out and makes your runs smoother

Most of us new players will get better but if we are frustrated and feel unwelcome then we won't be around in the end which may be the goal of this thread in the end for all I know. Placing impediments on players to keep them out of content is an MMO killer. This game has a rep of players being kind to each other but this thread reads suspiciously like a git gud M+ Wow thread.

[DPZ2]

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Welcome. Have fun. Take your time and enjoy the game.

And ignore the forums for your first half-year. Well, at least try to stick to the job and lore related posts and ignore most of the General Discussion posts.

This post, for example, started out as "I'm frustrated. SE, do something to teach these people how to play", and devolved into "yeah, I have people who don't play to my expectations", and then further devolved into analogies that equate people who don't play the way (or as well) as others to people who prefer Communism because they're "lazy".

[Faafetai]

Let me give a new player perspective as I just started a few weeks ago. (my own, not speaking for anyone).

I have read your whole post, and thank you for joining, this thread has become a small train that is derailing. I think you are doing extremely well! You are not what most are referring. There are people who are purposely not using skills because they just #don't feel like it, and take perverse pleasure in griefing sprouts within dungeons preventing them from actually completing a story mode dungeon because the skills do not look pretty enough to them.

Those are some of the posts anyways. I was here because I was overwhelmed by the mountain of information dumped onto me throughout my beginnings, and was hoping there were other things that could be added within the game to learn when I was done with the post ARR grind. Minfilia just took my soul away at the end, and the constant pop ups of endless tutorials between trials and dungeons was way too much for me. I had to disable them, and just read them later.

This post, for example, started out as "I'm frustrated. SE, do something to teach these people how to play", and devolved into "yeah, I have people who don't play to my expectations", and then further devolved into analogies that equate people who don't play the way (or as well) as others to people who prefer Communism because they're "lazy".

I honestly thought this was a thread on what systems or changes could be done to help players who are just starting out within the game, and who wish there was something more to teach them besides killing a million opo opos. I am suprised there are still opo opos out there and they have not gone extinct. Those opo opos even have ties with the lady bugs and squirrels, an unspoken bond of friendship that allows for them to instantly know when you begin to aim at an opo opo and all of them aggro to you at the same time. Do not forget the level 17 giant tree that is right there to hand your intestines back to you after you attack the wrong opo opo.

I do not know how things have gone into a spiral of very angry individual who keep assuming everyone is an elitist or some such nonsense.

[MiaShino]

Oh gods not politics.

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Stuffs!

I know this exact feeling! I see plenty of sprouts running about the Crystal Tower now, more then even when I started eight or so months ago it is always neat watching them because I remember how overwhelmed I felt healing there for first time. Getting family to play the game with my partner, we managed to convince fifteen (possibly more) to join now! Two of them loved their first time healing Crystal Tower so much they almost refuse to not heal raids.

I also remember being shouted at specifically in the alliance chat for not getting onto my pad. I assumed I had to run to my pad to survive and all eight needed to be on the pads and the tank pulled the boss all the way to pad A. One misjudged timing on that cast later and I am being yelled at. Just me for reasons unknown, not the ten other people who also did not make it.

I would later discover that the person who yelled at me was not playing very well themselves and was probably upset they could not clear as fast as they wished. Perhaps in some of my posts I came across as this player who wishes for nine minute super optimal speed runs. Not me not my friends not my family. Go out there and make those mistakes just be sure to learn from them tis all I personally ask.

There are also two bajillion different fights in the game, no one expects anyone to have eidetic recall of all of them. Heck I forget half of them until I am in the fight. I just hate explaining the fight or trying to only to have Johnny rapid pull mc grayparse waste everyone's time before I can eek out two words.

It would be nice too if the game better explained certain things especially during the job quests, sense that is what I feel the thread was originally about. Unsure about the WoW stuffs, my uncle sings the praises of older mmorpgs and the amazing adventures he had there raiding and exploring.

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[Eien713]

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Welcome to the game. I just wanted to say that I don't think this thread is about new players being bad at the game. I haven't read the whole thing, but it now mostly boils down to "I play however I please because normal content is braindead anyway" vs. "You need to play at a decent level and pull your weight." Honestly? I'm part of camp 2 but that's beside the point.

I've avoided commenting after the discussion looked like it was going nowhere, but I decided to write this post because I didn't want a new player to get the wrong idea about how veterans view sprouts. I speak for myself and hopefully many others when I say that most veterans have a soft spot for sprouts and are always willing/happy to help them in any way possible. This discussion is in no way, shape, or form aimed at new players (since those players are still finding their feet in the game anyway).

[Rinhi]

I've avoided commenting after the discussion looked like it was going nowhere, but I decided to write this post because I didn't want a new player to get the wrong idea about how veterans view sprouts. I speak for myself and hopefully many others when I say that most veterans have a soft spot for sprouts and are always willing/happy to help them in any way possible. This discussion is in no way, shape, or form aimed at new players (since those players are still finding their feet in the game anyway).

yeah, exactly, which is why I can't stand those posts that basically declare that everyone from camp 2 is a toxic elitist and I can't stress it enough that it's not about sprouts, new players or people leveling another job!

[MiaShino]

yeah, exactly, which is why I can't stand those posts that basically declare that everyone from camp 2 is a toxic elitist and I can't stress it enough that it's not about sprouts, new players or people leveling another job!

Yup yup! About attempting to assist players..

There was a run of Toto-Rak me and my partner went through where the tank chose to wear crafting gear. We confronted them and were told "this is all I have". We offered to craft them gear after the dungeon if they wished, no reply.

Sooooo.. we became curious and inspected their search info only to discover they had all of their crafters leveled to 80 and most of their jobs leveled to 80 as well. We became increasingly suspicious when they seemed to seek out every poison pod in the whole dungeon even the ones in side rooms to run face first into.

Our poor sprouty healer in miscellaneous gear who was there for their first time was being most precious about it. They did not know they were being actively griefed. They were struggling to heal and we wiped but I never once yelled at them. I was actually quite proud that they managed to find time to stone enemies when the tank had.. that on. My ire was for the tank who felt that griefing sprouts in Toto-Rak was acceptable behavior. If they truly did not understand the importance of defensive gear on a tank then something has gone very wrong in FF14.

[Faafetai]

Welcome to the game. I just wanted to say that I don't think this thread is about new players being bad at the game. I haven't read the whole thing, but it now mostly boils down to "I play however I please because normal content is braindead anyway" vs. "You need to play at a decent level and pull your weight." Honestly? I'm part of camp 2 but that's beside the point.

yeah, exactly, which is why I can't stand those posts that basically declare that everyone from camp 2 is a toxic elitist and I can't stress it enough that it's not about sprouts, new players or people leveling another job!

Somehow by entering into this thread, even if you have not said anything about anything, people keep randomly picking people out and labeling them as toxic elitists. They don't even know how long someone has been playing for or what they even try to accomplish within the game. They also will tell you that you wish to speed run dungeons or some such nonsense grouping everyone into a little bubble so they do not have to think about multiple peoples experiences or even read what others have written. If I wished to speed run I would not have been kind of annoyed at the sprout tank denying the sprout healer of gear within Qarn today.

I have not played for long, but I have played enough to see a trend of people getting fiesty within content and freaking out on new players. Those people are the ones who do not push any of their buttons, if I did not have a friend that had a parser installed I would not have known that person was doing those things while they were yelling at the only healer alive to limit break. Everytime someone in a dungeon has been toxic they have literally not be pushing any of their buttons but whatever their 1 is set to. I think those people are the actual elitists/casuals that everyone is mistaking everyone else for, or are they the ones who are doing these things in the first place and are projecting. This whole thread is really giving me some insight within the psyche of those players.