Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Jadedsins]

rarely means it does happen, which should be telling enough
I don't do high-end content myself because I think it's too complicated, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna play badly on purpose just because I can...

It only happen one time, and I laughed and requeued got a better group. DF is content design for players like myself. Most of the community understands that. I play how I want, and as long as the content gets done. That is all that matters. I have no reason to "change" how I play because I'm not require to do so, and it is not fun. If you have a problem with your groups doing content slower. Than that is on you. Why are you doing DF? Get some social skills and build your own groups that you can make your own rules for. As my husband said. DF is a tool of convenience.

[Faafetai]

there's definitively an overlap between some of those, but I've felt that the excal NN was somewhat ok when it came to giving advice, though I usually just help players that need a body for dungeons or trials rather than giving in-depth advice past "use cure/medica 2 instead of 1" and "use holy if you see more than 2 enemies around the tank" or "use your tank CDs after another and during a pull, not all of them at the same time when you're getting low on health" because there's usually not enough time to say more than this between pulls or NN chat activity

See those are the good bits of advice. The one I remember being the best I did receive super early on was make the target bar big and separate it so you can independently enlarge the spell that is casting in order to see the name of some tank busters and raid wides if not most some are telegraphed, a la Dark Souls style. The other was the aggro meter colors in the enemy list, and if they are red you have aggro, yellow for losing aggro, and green for no aggro. Unfortunately, you have to hit them for them all to show up which is kind of a pain in the booty when your first starting out and you miss one mob with your aoe. There are tiny hard to see numbers and symbols next to your job picture in the party window indicating A for aggro and than numbers so you know if your dpsing harder than everyone else. Cleansable stuff have the white line, and a bunch of strange obscure things I honestly missed completely. I feel ashamed to admit I just switched to legacy controls because I didn't know I could overpower backwards with it enabled, and shield lob, tomahawk etc without spinning all of the way around making myself feel sick >.<

[Shurrikhan]

So everything you just said could be turned around for the other person as well. You wanting to get through the content as fast as you can, hinders my enjoyment to play how I want. As long as the content gets done even at a slower pace. I'm happy to play how I want to play and enjoy the game in my way. It is that simple, and is acceptable to the community for players such as myself in that settings. It is acceptable and the content is DESIGN around getting done with my level of skill. Someone who does not use certain skills i might not like. If players don't like the pace, get the others to vote kick or leave yourself. That is the only say and power you have. Any other will just be ignored, or get reported.

I never said every dungeon has to be speedrun. I even pointed out, myself, in the post you just quoted, that there are other means of enjoying content that are reasonable from the context of its situation and form.

I'm arguing only the idea that no expectations can ever be set, one way or the other, just because the players we encounter are random, is pure bogus. Joining a general pool does not exempt you from any and all expectations.

I will add this, though: the group matters. That the others are random doesn't give us license to wave high a "difference of playstyle" banner and go unchanged, either; you are in a group. Refusing to change for the majority around you is to force change upon them, because it is a group activity. Our "right" to play how we want when that play differs from others' preferred playstyles, in a group, is necessarily going to be in conflict with their "right" to play how they want. And, on the onset, we're the 1, not the n-1. We don't each have a party's worth of power, nor should we. So let's not call the would-be despot the victim here.

When whatever behaviors that would seemingly maximize enjoyment or interests met among my party are opposed from what I would want to do, I either just deal with it for that brief time or I leave so they've a chance at a better fit with my replacement.

[Jadedsins]

I never said every dungeon has to be speedrun. I even pointed out, myself, in the post you just quoted, that there are other means of enjoying content that are reasonable from the context of its situation and form.

I'm arguing only the idea that no expectations can ever be set, one way or the other, just because the players we encounter are random, is pure bogus. Joining a general pool does not exempt you from any and all expectations.

I will add this, though: the group matters. That the others are random doesn't give us license to wave high a "difference of playstyle" banner and go unchanged, either; you are in a group. Refusing to change for the majority around you is to force change upon them, because it is a group activity. Our "right" to play how we want when that play differs from others' preferred playstyles, in a group, is necessarily going to be in conflict with their "right" to play how they want. And, on the onset, we're the 1, not the n-1. We don't each have a party's worth of power, nor should we. So let's not call the would-be despot the victim here.

When whatever behaviors that would seemingly maximize enjoyment or interests met among my party are opposed from what I would want to do, I either just deal with it for that brief time or I leave so they've a chance at a better fit with my replacement.

I understand what you were saying, I was just trying to point out that because DF groups don't have prerequisite on player skills. Anything one side can say about ruining fun, or dealing with people. Can be used by the other side. It is a losing battle for both sides.




It is like playing a board game, and the board game does not have any rules. You follow your own code, I follow mine. We can't argue with each other as the board game does not allow it. So who is right on how they play said board game? That is DF.

[Faafetai]

I understand what you were saying, I was just trying to point out that because DF groups don't have prerequisite on player skills. Anything one side can say about ruining fun, or dealing with people. Can be used by the other side. It is a losing battle for both sides.




It is like playing a board game, and the board game does not have any rules. You follow your own code, I follow mine. We can't argue with each other as the board game does not allow it. So who is right on how they play said board game? That is DF.

Now imagine that I am your tank and you are my healer. We are in Mt Gulg. Do you think we would clear the dungeon if you were only using cure 1 and I were using no cooldowns whilst I decided to do 'The pull of legends'. Would you truly be content not able to clear the duty you queued for via the 'convenient duty finder', timer to lockout of the story mode dungeon ticking down. Maybe this is the dps' first time here and they are stuck with a tank and a healer who are 'playing their way' which in turn is not letting them clear the duty. They can not solo the dungeon, they just wished to have fun, but they are just dying over and over again, due to others on their team being selfish.

Maybe I was just raised differently, but this is just evil. Truly, truly evil. You probably do not care because you are playing the board game with no rules, but the board game always had rules. You are taking the board game they wished to play with you, and throwing it into a volcano. It is a blatant disregarded to the well being of those around you and you should be ashamed.

[Jadedsins]

Pfffffffffffff, I figured out that Jadedsins was the wife before even finishing reading through the posts. Same style, same talking points.

Balmung > Crystal. Now I understand the meme, I thought it might be one of those things that people say and it is not really true but holy jeebus. I am tapping out "who cares as long as we complete the duty" broke the mind. It is over for me.. Mia. I will be M.I.A.

This is the only multiplayer game I have ever played where people act this way, never in all my time have I seen something so patently absurd.

The way you are acting. Yes we would be very much happy if you did not Queue in DF. You act like you have a moral backing behind you because we don't agree. Raised better? Come on now. That is funny, because a game is just a game. I don't need progression to enjoy the game. You take this game far too serious, your whole examples made me chuckle. Like, not everyone has the same values as you. DF content is design for people who can play how they want and still get through it. No need to be a drama queen about "skill" in a match making system.

[Jadedsins]

Now imagine that I am your tank and you are my healer. We are in Mt Gulg. Do you think we would clear the dungeon if you were only using cure 1 and I were using no cooldowns whilst I decided to do 'The pull of legends'. Would you truly be content not able to clear the duty you queued for via the 'convenient duty finder', timer to lockout of the story mode dungeon ticking down. Maybe this is the dps' first time here and they are stuck with a tank and a healer who are 'playing their way' which in turn is not letting them clear the duty. They can not solo the dungeon, they just wished to have fun, but they are just dying over and over again, due to others on their team being selfish.

Maybe I was just raised differently, but this is just evil. Truly, truly evil. You probably do not care because you are playing the board game with no rules, but the board game always had rules. You are taking the board game they wished to play with you, and throwing it into a volcano. It is a blatant disregarded to the well being of those around you and you should be ashamed.

I just almost spit of my coffee laughing. Evil? raised? What are you talking about? I don't agree with you so what? If you care so much about your time being slowed because you group up with players like myself who enjoys the game. Than don't do DF. It is that simple, I don't care how you play, and you should not care how I play. If it is a problem vote kick us our of the group, but let me tell you most of the time. People won't because they are way more understanding. It is DF, and players who want to rush through it, or get upset cause of how some of us play in it. They are a rare case.


You can call me selfish or whatever, and I can do the same to you. I sign no contract on how I like playing when I group with you. I saw nothing in the game rules that says I got to use skills I don't like. It is not a guild, or linkshell that has a set rules. You did not make the group that says I must play in whatever way. So the only power you have is to vote kick and hope other people are just as silly as you are for having the run go a little bit slower cause you happen to group with me.

Good luck with that. Evil...lmao some of you take gaming wayyy too serious. I almost woke my husband up laughing.

[Shurrikhan]

It is like playing a board game, and the board game does not have any rules. You follow your own code, I follow mine. We can't argue with each other as the board game does not allow it. So who is right on how they play said board game? That is DF.

No. When you sign up to play a dungeon run, just as when signing up to play a doubles game of tennis, it has certain rules, parameters, and expectations. Those don't disappear at your whim.


On the whole, though, the sad thing is that when you lay out your points tangentially, there will still somehow be people who see your playing the despot and label you the victim. I hope their offhanded comments will be validation enough for you.

[Roeshel]

I mean you could, but don't be shocked if you get reported for it. You dying in a video game in a DF group might not be fun for you, but you can leave the group instead of telling players to do better. So if you pick to stay in that DF group. You got to deal with players like me.

This is just a bunch of nonsense. Even if you are that low to report someone for telling you how to play you won't get them banned for it. In FFXIV there is this weird propaganda going on that you will get banned for just talking and whatnot. A couple of people have allegedly reported me for harassment in-game, in df and in pf for raids. My account has not been warned, banned or suspended because obviously I was not harassing anyone and the GMs did not buy the stories of the fake harassment victims. I mean, they can check the chat logs after all. It doesn't matter how twisted your version of the story is and that you fabricated it in a way in which you paint yourself as this poor victim who got harassment in a dungeon for being told to think while playing FFXIV.

[Rinhi]

"I want to play badly on purpose and YOU should expect that because it's DF (???) and carry me. I'll also report you if you give me advice to be a better player"