Asmongold's First Impression with Final Fantasy 14

[BaconBits]

If everything is a meme, is anything a meme?

[Adeacia]

I didn't think he'd like it, but he admitted he does. No complaints here. I said in another topic I wasn't worried about Asmongold himself being toxic, but his viewers. I'd also be lying if I said I wasn't watching the cut down vods on youtube. Well, listening, I can't look at my phone at work.

Anyway I'm honestly glad he's enjoying himself in this game and hope he keeps doing so.

[linayar]

What's really confusing is the starter vs complete vs Shadowbringers stuff.

Starter is free trial without the trial restrictions (ARR+HW).
Shadowbringers is the current expansion plus any previous expansion you don't have yet (ShB + SB).
Complete is everything (ARR-ShB).

What they should do is have two options:

Final Fantasy XIV (includes ARR>Stormblood)
Shadowbringers (is Shadowbringers)

Then when Endwalker is released, ShB rolls into the base game. So it's basically the reverse of what we have now, and I think would be a lot less confusing.

Why would that be less confusing? We have two now, and it makes more sense for Stormblood to be included with the expansion rather than the base game.

Complete is just combining the two, so it's even less confusing to just buy Complete for your first purchase.

I do think the endgame is where FFXIV will lose him, though. No PvP; No small group or solo content to tackle; He'll basically need to organize an 8 or 24 man raid anytime he wants some engaging content for his stream, and even that won't last very long.

I disagree.

Again, he's not really looking to replace WoW. FFXIV has enough content to be a side game, which is perfect for him.

He is mainly a PvE player, so the state of PvP won't matter much, and he might still enjoy it for what it is.

He is used to gathering 4-39 players. 7-23 players won't be an issue, assuming there are enough of them in the game watching his streams, which is likely.

[SniperCT]

Starter is free trial without the trial restrictions (ARR+HW).
Shadowbringers is the current expansion plus any previous expansion you don't have yet (ShB + SB).
Complete is everything (ARR-ShB).

Why would that be less confusing? We have two now, and it makes more sense for Stormblood to be included with the expansion rather than the base game.

Complete is just combining the two, so it's even less confusing to just buy Complete for your first purchase.

TBF I thought of this after seeing like 30 posts over the past three weeks on reddit on new players being SUPER confused by what they needed to buy, so my idea basically simplifies it into how WoW used to do it. WoW basically kept rolling the previous expansion into the base game when the new expansion came out, so all you had to buy was 'world of warcraft' and 'New expansion' (wow now just lets you sub to everything but the latest expansion, but similar concept).

[linayar]

TBF I thought of this after seeing like 30 posts over the past three weeks on reddit on new players being SUPER confused by what they needed to buy, so my idea basically simplifies it into how WoW used to do it. WoW basically kept rolling the previous expansion into the base game when the new expansion came out, so all you had to buy was 'world of warcraft' and 'New expansion' (wow now just lets you sub to everything but the latest expansion, but similar concept).

I think it just reflects on their focus.

WoW is all about the current content, so anything that is not in the current expansion might as well be part of the base game.

FFXIV is a remake from 1.0, so they emphasized that you're buying FFXIV ARR, not simply FFXIV (only now they added HW to it). And then you have the expansions added afterward, but you only need to buy the latest expansion to get everything beforehand as it's a linear game. (It doesn't make sense to buy Shadowbringers and not get Stormblood since you need to do Stormblood first, which is not the case with WoW.)

At the end of the day, neither is more complex.

WoW: base game + latest expansion
FFXIV: base game + latest expansion

The difference is what's in the base game and what's in the latest expansion.

FFXIV also has complete edition that combines the two.

[Almagnus1]

Tbh, Mogg Station is the true first Extreme, and unless you can pass that instance, you won't get into FFXIV.

I want SE to nerf that instance into the ground, as it's a bit too OP atm.

[Waliel]

The point about villains being given a second chance instead of being killed off straight away subtly affecting the community as a whole was quite interesting. I don't know how much of an effect it has in reducing toxicity in the end, but interesting thought nonetheless.

[Gameovers]

The point about villains being given a second chance instead of being killed off straight away subtly affecting the community as a whole was quite interesting. I don't know how much of an effect it has in reducing toxicity in the end, but interesting thought nonetheless.

I think he's on to something... and remember the dude is only in early ARR content. He's gonna lol when he gets to anything else. Tho it'll be funny as hell if he hates HW and likes SB since he's into ARR story. I'd laugh my ass off. Glad he's liking the game tho honestly. Considering he was sick of seeing it about a week ago since people kept spamming the man about it.

[Hyrist]

Quick summary of my views on things:

Our game and community has its own problems. We're not going to suddenly become horrible with -yet another- burst of players joining the game. You can look at the widely varied join dates in these forums alone to see that we're not an insular community. And you can look at mine to verify that I'm one of the one's qualified to say "I don't see anything new here."

Asmongold Bald (I'm going to chuckle at that name, I can't believe he chose it.) Is a decent person and a good player. I'm not always entertained by his streaming style, but I don't think of him as a bad person. The fact that he's giving FFXIV an honest shot amide the many, many people harassing him both ways about it is a testament of his temperance in the face of his chosen profession. Props to him for being able to deal with so many people and staying open minded. I couldn't do it.

The fact that he is bringing so many eyes to FFXIV may seem intimidating, but we've handled large groups joining before. This game is big enough to accompany them and good enough to convert the majority of them over to the sort of culture we have in the game where people are, buy in large, chill people who are enjoying their time here. It's the reason why this game is so fervently defended and loved - there's something here for nearly everyone. I hope Asmond and the people encouraged by his streaming have a good time and find their home here in FFXIV.

I'll be holding them all to the same standard I always do. Be kind - do what you can to play well and comfortably - enjoy the game as best you can and try to encourage the same for others. It's really that simple.

[Drakonic]

The bad first impression is starting to add up surrounding account creation - mostly around the logistics. If people care about getting new players into the game they have got to tell them how to make new characters when every server seems to be locked.