Machinist needs help.

[Aiscence]

23 p4s kill before seeing anything that wasnt a brd as a ranged. Ninja was the only other job not represented in the top 20. Which once more proves how much ranged aren't really taken because people enjoy them or because it doenst matter which one you take, but because of the 1% buff that would handicap the less your group. Machinist and ranged in general really need something

[Tsumdere]

The numbers tuning for MCH (and ranged in general) is honestly pretty horrific in EW. They are second bottom DPS only above DNC despite being "selfish", when RDM, SMN, and BRD are equally mobile, give buffs, easy/easier to play.

I've never felt bad about the job I play, but I do feel like I'm griefing my savage group by not playing BRD.

[Tracewood]

Don't play much, working for a living and all that.

Blew a fat chunk of gil on some crafted gear and spent all my materia trying to meld. some pieces overmelded.

Starting to regret my choices and should have stuck with SMN and get RDM to 90. I like my mobility but man I hope I don't get auto kicked joining PF as MCH.

And no, I'm not going to use BRD.

[Rym]

It is a little weird seeing no buffs for MCH, considering every other rdps in the game brings utility while MCH doesn't bring anything but dps (which again it doesn't bring).

You could argue that it's only below average because of aDPS, but in reality RDM and SMN do pretty much the same DPS or more while providing more utility and about the same mobility, and for the 1% buff BRD is by far best in slot in rDPS.

MCH might be the only class in the game that wouldn't be taken in groups because...it provides absolutely nothing at all that others can't do better.

[Dianoia]

Don't play much, working for a living and all that.

Blew a fat chunk of gil on some crafted gear and spent all my materia trying to meld. some pieces overmelded.

Starting to regret my choices and should have stuck with SMN and get RDM to 90. I like my mobility but man I hope I don't get auto kicked joining PF as MCH.

And no, I'm not going to use BRD.

The forums are hyperbolic and sensational when it comes to class balance. MCH needs potency buffs, but unless you're a top tier prog MCH player playing with other top tier prog players, you're likely not to have any trouble finding a group on MCH.

[CKNovel]

"You can clear with anything" remains true.

It's just that week 1 usually has a tight DPS check.
But there is PLD and NIN in world first, they just need to put more works in the progress.

The main argument remains:
MCH only brings DPS to the group and is easily outshined by BRD.
Therefore it's a negative value compared to BRD, a support oriented job that also brings Nature's Minne and Warden's Paean.
Even thought that last one is really niche.

[Jirah]

Don't play much, working for a living and all that.

Blew a fat chunk of gil on some crafted gear and spent all my materia trying to meld. some pieces overmelded.

Starting to regret my choices and should have stuck with SMN and get RDM to 90. I like my mobility but man I hope I don't get auto kicked joining PF as MCH.

And no, I'm not going to use BRD.

Don’t overreact, even in SB where BRD severely outclassed MCH I was never treated this way, sure some elitist PF groups excluded jobs but this was the same PF groups that had unreasonably high Ilvv requirements and tags like “you die a lot and kicked….also it’s a learning party” and very often feed this exaggeration by the forums and more so by those stupid tier lists

[Jirah]

It honestly baffles me how Reaper just does the Hypercharge mechanic with Enshroud better than Machinist.
Just add 5 stacks to Hypercharge that can be spend on Heat Blast and Auto Crossbow and while we're at it, a finisher similar to Communio for Hypercharge would be nice.

Also Flamethrower definitely needs a rework, who wants to not play their game for 10 seconds?

Still in favor of reworking heat into a completely unique mechanic all its own rather than have it replicate something else than make it even more lenient. Stacks can be good in some cases like most of the melee QOL, but I don’t like this transitioning into MCH as it’ll make the job a bore or feel like even lesser DRK.

Funny you should mention not playing a job as this is DNC and SMN appeal as a whole with the best comments I’ve seen being “I like simple jobs where I can focus on mechanics” when the toughest mechanic you do in core is a stack marker but I digress

Surely …or maybe not, someone somewhere can muster a better mechanic for heat than being a lesser Enshroud or Delirium as personally sick of spamming crap

[Jirah]

The numbers tuning for MCH (and ranged in general) is honestly pretty horrific in EW. They are second bottom DPS only above DNC despite being "selfish", when RDM, SMN, and BRD are equally mobile, give buffs, easy/easier to play.

I've never felt bad about the job I play, but I do feel like I'm griefing my savage group by not playing BRD.

All hyperbole really, people care way to much on this crap. People seriously need to let go of this notion of “Hur dur im hindering the party by not playing something that’s meta” makes even less sense if it’s a non savage fight as you’ll never ever care about numbers in core.

Also I personally feel MCH is a yard easier than RDM and BRD but that’s just nitpicking

[Jandor]

Still in favor of reworking heat into a completely unique mechanic all its own rather than have it replicate something else than make it even more lenient. Stacks can be good in some cases like most of the melee QOL, but I don’t like this transitioning into MCH as it’ll make the job a bore or feel like even lesser DRK.

Heat is meh, bring back ammo. Ammo for fancy gun-play, battery for fancy robots.