Machinist needs help.

[ItMe]

I think for WF and Heatblast they answered to an interview saying "We don't have enough feedback".
Big proof they don't read their own forums, it was the very first feedback about 5.0 MCH and everyone was talking about "Bunshin treatment".

Where is the MCH megathread?
Where are the hundreds of pages of centralized discussion?
They've explicitly said they look at long, robust threads with lots of discussion for feedback. But MCH doesn't have this.

You say they're wrong?
You say there IS "enough feedback?"
Where is it?
Where is this "enough feedback?"
Searching for MCH threads I see almost none of them have double digit page counts, and the ones that do barely get over that.
Yeah, no, that isn't enough feedback.
And what's more, it's very scattered and difficult to track down, let alone sift through.

Sccraps of discussions don't make it to them.
People aren't asking them directly about MCH during Q&A.
Everything we have points to "yeah, they literally haven't seen our feedback."

If you wanna change that, if you wanna be heard, centralize your discussion with a megathread and stay constructive and on topic.

Otherwise you have no reason to complain that you aren't being heard when you're not taking the steps they've asked of you.


(I'm sorry if I come off as rather aggressive.)

[Aiscence]

Where is the MCH megathread?
Where are the hundreds of pages of centralized discussion?
They've explicitly said they look at long, robust threads with lots of discussion for feedback. But MCH doesn't have this.

You say they're wrong?
You say there IS "enough feedback?"
Where is it?
Where is this "enough feedback?"
Searching for MCH threads I see almost none of them have double digit page counts, and the ones that do barely get over that.
Yeah, no, that isn't enough feedback.
And what's more, it's very scattered and difficult to track down, let alone sift through.

Sccraps of discussions don't make it to them.
People aren't asking them directly about MCH during Q&A.
Everything we have points to "yeah, they literally haven't seen our feedback."

If you wanna change that, if you wanna be heard, centralize your discussion with a megathread and stay constructive and on topic.

Otherwise you have no reason to complain that you aren't being heard when you're not taking the steps they've asked of you.

I'm sorry if I come off as rather aggressive.

it comes from the fact people generally create a new post regularly because "they dont see any other one" or first talk about another issues from mch. But the -lack- of things being discussed can explain a big problem too: the job isn't actually played outside of very casuals that play it only when they need a range or hunt.

I'll support this with some facts: mch is always in the top 3 .. from the bottom of the logged jobs on fflogs. Don't wanna use fflogs? There was a popularity poll on reddit "What job are you going to play at Endwalker now that we've seen the changes?", guess what position had mch? Dead last, with 2.36% of people planning on playing it which prove something big: people don't want to "main" mch as their first job. They will casually play it if they need a dps or for the ease of it, don't really know what to do but who cares and that's it, which is linked to why the "amount" of feedback is low. (brd and dnc were 3rd and 6th from the bottom too, which proves a big problem with ranged in general)

[LordMetal7]

Where is the MCH megathread?
Where are the hundreds of pages of centralized discussion?
They've explicitly said they look at long, robust threads with lots of discussion for feedback. But MCH doesn't have this.

You say they're wrong?
You say there IS "enough feedback?"
Where is it?
Where is this "enough feedback?"
Searching for MCH threads I see almost none of them have double digit page counts, and the ones that do barely get over that.
Yeah, no, that isn't enough feedback.
And what's more, it's very scattered and difficult to track down, let alone sift through.

Sccraps of discussions don't make it to them.
People aren't asking them directly about MCH during Q&A.
Everything we have points to "yeah, they literally haven't seen our feedback."

If you wanna change that, if you wanna be heard, centralize your discussion with a megathread and stay constructive and on topic.

Otherwise you have no reason to complain that you aren't being heard when you're not taking the steps they've asked of you.


(I'm sorry if I come off as rather aggressive.)

Sorry for asking but how can we make a mega thread on machinist? if that helps il help too i just wish yoshi p to look for our ideas on a gunner class should be a and a class that handles machines is separated, i know this is a bother but is one of my dreams in the game i just like blasting people with bullets but not with machines

[ItMe]

Sorry for asking but how can we make a mega thread on machinist?

By the community picking one thread to centralize the discussion in.
A megathread is just that.

It doesn't need to have the word "Megathread" in the title, as a community could decide to centralize the discussion anywhere. At the top of this page, for example, Jirah is pushing to turn this thread into the center of the MCH conversation going forward.