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    Nostik's Avatar
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    Kavian Blackbane
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    Coeurl
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    Lancer Lv 71
    Hate to say it but I have shelved mine for now. While its not unplayable by any means, everything else just kills things faster or can do things MCH cant. I know everything is viable but being the lowest DPS AND bringing nothing for utility feels bad.

    It really needs to be bumped up quite a bit. It should be the "pure dps" in the physical category and be up but maybe a little behind SAM, BLM, MNK. Then you have the mobility tax by being behind those but it still does a ton of damage making it worth while.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    Rawon Special
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 100
    all they need is just bump up the potency more but either they are being cautious (for no reason) or will pour everything (maybe even rework?) later on 6.1

    get rid of that automaton "start up" sequence, the moment we press automaton just make it a portal and the automaton immediately rush out and punch the target

    heatblast should generate battery maybe 5 per shot or something, MCH should be all about their turret or automaton, but the game force us to use heatblast which didnt generate battery so instead of 2 path merging into 1, we got 2 path of dps which is strange
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    Junhee Hatsuharu
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 94
    As someone who played MCH when I played ranged in raids if I someone wanted to swap off with me, it's sad to see the current state of ranged as a whole.

    There's nothing that defines phys ranged other than having infinite uptime with mobility, mobility that never gets used.....since O11S. The only reason to even bring ranged is for the bonus and LB purposes. Their damage doesn't justify them past those things so in the end, it's just forced by proxy.

    They all have one mitigation tool and DNC and BRD has to fight over who's the better group buffer while MCH is rotting in the corner because it barely does more dmg than a NIN and is now worse than DNC and BRD, being the weakest DPS with zero utility. It's ping-dependent with a busy burst window for dmg less than the others.

    I do like that it's supposed to be the selfish dps of the ranged but even then. Why bring MCH when you get group buffs with DNC that's easier to play, and worse damage than BRD who also has group buffs.

    And buffing it up to SAM and BLM levels for being selfish only exacerbates the issue of the parity between ranged and every other dps role.

    Ranged is taxed for this mobility which hasn't mattered since two expansions ago and ease of play when only DNC is the most braindead to play. BRD and MCH require you to focus with the latter punishing you for bad latency.

    lk what they could do, getting rid of role/job synergy is literally what buried phys ranged. They all have the baseline mitigation and mobility and that's all that defines phys. ranged now. Losing enmity control, group MP management, has done nothing but show that without real meaningful utility, ranged is really nothing but walking peashooters.

    NIN is going through the same thing as well. Losing enmity control and a crippled Trick Attack has left the job in a weak spot where it's only utility is a weak raid buff that is trampled by RPR, DRG, MNK who do more dmg and has raid buffs.

    Deleting utility from jobs and spreading them out as a baseline has destroyed but niche these jobs have and has created this meta of who out of the buffers brings more dmg because the baseline is met so all that's left is their rDPS.
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Bard Lv 100
    I’d like the point out that it’s DPS is just one of its concerns. The job won’t be magically amazing if it’s potency was on par with SAM
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    And will still need unless the designers changes their philosophy about ranged.

    "Mobility tax" + "Pure DPS" is as good as mixing Pepsi and Milk.
    I say either make the rotation hard to master like in SB days to justify the DPS, or give it utility back like in SB days to rival its cousins. As it stands MCH is the most reductive job in the game being the selfish DPS that can’t compare to SAM, but being the ranged support with no support
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    Maru Yumalnoh
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    Odin
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    I say either make the rotation hard to master like in SB days to justify the DPS, or give it utility back like in SB days to rival its cousins. As it stands MCH is the most reductive job in the game being the selfish DPS that can’t compare to SAM, but being the ranged support with no support
    all 3 p ranged are easy to play , the fact that mch is like ~5% behind dnc and brd is a joke.
    simple solution for now since they won't change how the job plays is just to raise it's dps since it's a selifish dps ( just like they did with sam and blm this last patch in 6.08 )
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    While I agree that damage won't fix the AQ, Flamethrower and Wildfire, it would be a fair consolation prize.
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    While I agree that damage won't fix the AQ, Flamethrower and Wildfire, it would be a fair consolation prize.
    Would be a start yes but wildfire is so token that unless they refine the mechanics, itll never not be lateral as hell. Adding somthing to it would make the tumor a larger issue if u catch my drift. It needs juxtaposition along side its shallow ass kit. and flamethrower idk where to even begin with it. Wasnt stellar in SB
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    “Theirs really not much you can change with the MCH”
    -Live letter 66, 9/17/21

    Where is the ambition?

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    Maru Yumalnoh
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    Odin
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    Machinist Lv 90
    I feel like the dev team have no clue what to do with MCH , it's in one of it's worst spots in terms of dps
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