Machinist needs help.

[Valence]

If anything, it's rPhys that needs help, and has always needed help. The infamous mobility tax you know. Having them slightly lower by design for casual content and prog balance is all fine and dandy, but the fact remains that almost immediately everybody else manages to still deal more damage output no matter what.

Back in HW and SB the mobility tax was conveniently hidden behind the DRG's piercing debuff, which was still provided by the DRG and not by the ranged physical jobs benefiting from it, but people still took those jobs because rPhys identity back then was to buff the party in MP and TP resource management, which was rather important. In ShB and now EW, this is offset instead by the party bonus that having a single rPhys in the party provides, so you'd take them as long as the mobility tax is refunded by this (though getting more than one rphys job is suboptimal by that very fact). In fact at ShB release the mobility tax was so huge that it became actually meta to remove rphys entirely from parties and go double melee double caster, although not many did that ironically for... well, their results on a certain website. Until the tax got reduced.

The problem isn't on MCH damage, the problem is on the mobility tax, which is also affecting SMN amusingly enough now.

[AC9Breaker]

Cool but this isn’t a thread to gush over what we like

You get more flies with honey. If I was a dev i wouldn't bother looking at these boards as well with how melodramtic most of the users on here are. I merely offer a different perspective to the echo chamber that is most of the topics on these boards.

[Rym]

Oh my...

Am I even going to be taken into any savage / extreme trials as a MCH? What do I bring to the group that literally everyone else couldn't and do better damage on top of that?

[Riszyn]

This was exactly why I made my comment, as a greedy dps classification, our numbers are pretty bad. We need our potency's buffed so that we can sit comfortably in the top 5, or we need multiple tools that will allow us to stand on better ground with bard for raid buffs. Where we are currently, is just really really bad.

[Dianoia]

Oh my...

Am I even going to be taken into any savage / extreme trials as a MCH? What do I bring to the group that literally everyone else couldn't and do better damage on top of that?

To add some clarity here, you're showing max percentiles, or the very best players' performance in the jobs. At other ranges, MCH fairs better. It is highly probable to get into a savage or EX trial as MCH and have the top DPS parse. I doubt there will be mass boycotts of MCH on party finder based on this data. If it were consistent across a greater range of performance, then maybe.

Regardless, you are right in that every other job can do what MCH does but better.

[CKNovel]

To add some clarity here, you're showing max percentiles, or the very best players' performance in the jobs. At other ranges, MCH fairs better. It is highly probable to get into a savage or EX trial as MCH and have the top DPS parse. I doubt there will be mass boycotts of MCH on party finder based on this data. If it were consistent across a greater range of performance, then maybe.

Regardless, you are right in that every other job can do what MCH does but better.

I do agree that MAX percentile is not the data to use as it includes lucky crit, pots and good teammates when it comes to job with rDPS.
90th percentile shows the job potential if you plays it correctly with a few mistakes.
At 75th percentile and belows shows where people goofed their rotation or got KO'd at the end of a run.
At 50th and below shows people who got KO'd and are doing massive mistakes in their rotation.
Since the MCH is the "least punished", it will go higher as the percentile drops.

I'm still wondering why should you pick a MCH.
All ranged can offer Tacticians, which means in the equation, MCH only offers DPS. Which it doesn't even offers since it performs lower at an acceptable level.

[Kolsykol]

I do agree that MAX percentile is not the data to use as it includes lucky crit, pots and good teammates when it comes to job with rDPS.
90th percentile shows the job potential if you plays it correctly with a few mistakes.
At 75th percentile and belows shows where people goofed their rotation or got KO'd at the end of a run.
At 50th and below shows people who got KO'd and are doing massive mistakes in their rotation.
Since the MCH is the "least punished", it will go higher as the percentile drops.

I'm still wondering why should you pick a MCH.
All ranged can offer Tacticians, which means in the equation, MCH only offers DPS. Which it doesn't even offers since it performs lower at an acceptable level.

Raid buff and from my pov at least taking a MCH is generally a safe bet because it's fairly easy to perform at a solid level with.
I'd trust the average MCH over the average BLM to dish out good enough damage.

And as a side note too even if the player skill is equal I've never been bothered by a '' low dps Job '' in my party, every Job can clear if we fail it's not because of the Job.
It might technically speaking be in some way, but we still must've screwed up badly for it to make a difference and I dunno if we '' deserved '' the kill at that point.
Not really commenting on whether MCH is or isn't balanced but moreso this idea that MCH will be locked out, I don't believe that will happen.
I've never had a MCH join my party and been all like '' oh no ''.
But if a NIN joins the party for example what enters my mind is '' is this person actually going to use trick attack? ''.
And the answer to that is either a no or very inconsistently more often than I'd like.
And that's just the one thing, there's a lot of other stuff people screw up constantly on NIN especially in stressful situations.

I think this is something MCH players think about more than others do, which is understandable.
But I don't believe what goes through most peoples heads when they invite people is '' oh no a MCH such low dps ''.

This was exactly why I made my comment, as a greedy dps classification, our numbers are pretty bad. We need our potency's buffed so that we can sit comfortably in the top 5, or we need multiple tools that will allow us to stand on better ground with bard for raid buffs. Where we are currently, is just really really bad.

Remember when BRD and MCH had cast times?
I wonder if the devs were thinking of buffing them up to caster dps.

I actually really wish we could get a Sniper job with cast times, SWTOR have one and I think it's a really cool and unique class.

[DubiousDisk]

Oh my...

Am I even going to be taken into any savage / extreme trials as a MCH? What do I bring to the group that literally everyone else couldn't and do better damage on top of that?

Yes you will, because 95% of the playerbase isn't going to care at the end of the day as long as you know your role and the content.

The people that do care, are probably not going to party with you anyway cause they most likely have their own statics with stringent roles anyhow.

You are right though, MCH is hella weak, but you're fine if you want to take it into Savage.

[Flay_wind]

To me it feels like MCH got pretty much the same treatment the DRK got. We got one lackluster upgrade to one of our skills, almost literally worse Air Anchor and a buff to our fancy dot. All phys ranged got their AoE mitigation recast reduced at the same time, so eh. While other 2 phys ranged jobs got nice QoL changes. So, it's pretty much the same job as it was in ShB only slightly more clunky due to Drill/Air Anchor/Chansaw timing weirdly aligning with Hypercharge.

[Kolsykol]

To me it feels like MCH got pretty much the same treatment the DRK got. We got one lackluster upgrade to one of our skills, almost literally worse Air Anchor and a buff to our fancy dot. All phys ranged got their AoE mitigation recast reduced at the same time, so eh. While other 2 phys ranged jobs got nice QoL changes. So, it's pretty much the same job as it was in ShB only slightly more clunky due to Drill/Air Anchor/Chansaw timing weirdly aligning with Hypercharge.

I think MCH just wasn't as much in focus because MCH already got a major rework in SHB.