Machinist needs help.

[Aiscence]

I mean most jobs just got finishers, and a random upgrade trait for their damage, which is the laziest route possible. I really hope they work on smth else for 7.0, at least work out something for flamethrower, even the japanese are mad at that spell

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

I am by no means a MCH main nor do I even play the job seriously. I only play it because I like how Heat Blast looks and how Ricochet sounds. And I have just skimmed through this threads posts, too lazy to spend the time reading everything, so I do not know if this has been suggested so far. I also don't do EX trials or raids on MCH. Now that the disclaimer is out of the way.

There are 5 ways to fix Flamethrower, that range from pissing MCH mains off or having some semblance of entertainment.

1. Remove it entirely because channeled abilities/ spells/ weaponskills will never be able to work in FF14 ever because of how movement based the game's mechanics are and how boring channeling is. Never interesting or fun to channel something unless it does an insane amount of damage upon conclusion. And with how uninteresting and weak Flamethrower is it is eternally damned. I also feel dumb whenever I use Flamethrower on 10+ mobs because I've no idea if it's a dps gain over Spreadshot spam or even doing anything, so lately I haven't even been using it.

2. Sack Flamethrower and replace it with an AoE version of Rook/Queen. We could call the turret, oh I dunno Bishop? This would fix Flamethrower's lackluster feeling but would still be adding a button that is useless for single target (when this game is nearly entirely single target) And would also anger MCH mains because getting Bishop back at level 70 instead of the same level as Rook is laughable.

3. Remove the channel on Flamethrower and have it reuse Bioblaster's machine thing, instead of coming from your gun (so the fire animation doesn't look wonky), and be a generic 60 second, or any number that doesn't interfere with MCH's flow, oGCD that deals flat damage or is a burn DoT.**

4. Remove the channel on Flamethrower and have it reuse Bioblaster's machine thing and be a generic 90 or 110 second oGCD, or any number where it doesn't sync with Reassemble, that expends Bioblaster's DoT to blow up and deal damage with a potency greater than Bioblaster and Drill Shot combined. That would at least give Flamethrower AND Bioblaster, every so often, a use in single target encounters and make Flamethrower have a tinge of interest and usefulness. Would it make MCH's AoE damage increase significantly? Dunno and I don't care. **But could it potentially anger MCH players who would now need to get into melee range every so often to use this version of Flamethrower? I dunno. But it sure would make the job slightly more interesting, at least in my opinion.

5. Same as above but keep Flamethrower a gcd and have Flamethrower be a combo off of Bioblaster but make Flamethrower's cooldown triple that of Bioblaster/Drill Shot. Still would allow Bioblaster to be used on a single target once every 2 Drill shots.**

[Jirah]

in short without going into detail my beef with the job is the numerous missing link sklls (WF/Turrets/Flamethrower/Aoe heat blast) the atrocious spam crap that effects ping (not even tanks have 5 skills to spam in EW) and the overall bloat (why does gauss exist?) Throw in some minor nitpicks like the death of the gunner asethtic, the boring ass GCD which are as interesting as Jump or Fleche, the spastic way u randomly mash button in the opener (prompting the nickname mash-inst) and slows to a crawl afterwards, and the weird heat overcap issue on longer fights

I may do a joke thread on how MCH can be trimmed down and still retain its core, ehhh but im the very loud very minor minority on this as no one agrees. Give it a few years maybe MCH mains will stop saying "leave the job as is" but i doubt it

[Taranok]

in short without going into detail my beef with the job is the numerous missing link sklls (WF/Turrets/Flamethrower/Aoe heat blast) the atrocious spam crap that effects ping (not even tanks have 5 skills to spam in EW) and the overall bloat (why does gauss exist?) Throw in some minor nitpicks like the death of the gunner asethtic, the boring ass GCD which are as interesting as Jump or Fleche, the spastic way u randomly mash button in the opener (prompting the nickname mash-inst) and slows to a crawl afterwards, and the weird heat overcap issue on longer fights

I may do a joke thread on how MCH can be trimmed down and still retain its core, ehhh but im the very loud very minor minority on this as no one agrees. Give it a few years maybe MCH mains will stop saying "leave the job as is" but i doubt it

I mean, you hit a lot of the problems I have with the class. Though my biggest issue is the ping delay problem. At the end of the day, when people can't play your game because of how your animation lockout system is designed, where it intentionally punishes people with worse ping than others, there's a serious problem with the way the game is actually designed.

Hypercharge, AF/UI timers, and Blood Weapon are also the last 3 remaining anxiety bars in the game (You must do a specific rotation in a specific amount of time or you lose damage, sometimes a lot of it), with AF/UI timers as the worst of the bunch simply because your entire rotation crashes to a screeching halt if you fail it, but not that the other 2 are better. And I've seen that overcap issue and delay using the heat builder because of it. I don't understand why that exists, it should probably be fixed. RDM had a similar problem with how their abilities stacked together as well, with Acceleration needing to be delayed or you risk losing a charge due to overcapping if you're above about 60/60 when you use it.

Or, it doesn't matter how perfect you personally think a class is. Every class has flaws that can be smoothed out, and ignoring the problems because anyone thinks it's fine helps no one.

[CKNovel]

why does gauss exist?

IMO, this is where a ammo gauge could shine.
Tie Hypercharge and Gauss to ammo gauge for "Hyperbullet" and "Gaussbullet".
You can even make it so Ricochet and GR both needs a Gauss bullet to be used, there is not much skill alterning between Rico and GR.

With that we would only need more actions using "Hyperbullet" and "Gaussbullet" and the whole Hypercharge would've been much better.
I was honestly expecting a Hypercharge finisher like Confiteor but it didn't even happened.

There are 5 ways to fix Flamethrower, that range from pissing MCH mains off or having some semblance of entertainment.

You know what's hilarous? All of these solutions works and are fine.
Yet they did nothing of those. Reassemble second charge would've made sense if there was a BB + Flamethrower combo, as much as I dislike the idea it would work and make FT worth something.

It's really where "no changes" is worse than changes.

Hypercharge, AF/UI timers, and Blood Weapon are also the last 3 remaining anxiety bars in the game

I don't have ping problem but I have many other problems with the timed phase such as HC or BW.
BW is really simple, it's not 10 real seconds and DRK aoes are spells, therefore forced on 2.50s GCD.

I believe it's also important that just looking at a timer don't reveal anything about how many Heatblast remains to be used.
That timer will variate depending on if you used HC as a early or late GCD.

It's less difficult to cram everything in the GNB burst phase than keeping track of BW/HC.

[MagiusNecros]

Class overall is too braindead, Flamethrower has no synergy or gauge interaction and you could probably just throw it in the trash. Automaton Queen is such a boring skill and the lvl90 finisher extension from Pilebunker or whatever lacks impact. It'll do damage yeah but isn't "engaging".

Lvl90 should have been a G-Warrior mode or something actually interesting. MCH in 6.0 is super safe and really only adds Chainsaw as a battery generator and 2 charges of Reassemble to use on Drill and Air Anchor.

Easy QoL change to Hypercharge if ping is a problem is a stack system of 5 stacks. Easy fix. Will they do it? Nah.

Scattergun is going to see very prominent use due to generating 10 heat every time you fire it. Every 13 seconds(5 gcds) you are going to generate 50 heat. You can go to 100 in 26 seconds(10 gcds).

With your single target gcd combo in the same amount of time you only generate 25 heat and 10 battery. I dunno it looks weird.

Heat generation might be more important then your GCD combo and will make Autocrossbow and Heat Blast more frequent, especially Heat Blast since it seems to me the desired gameplay loop is use GCD combo while weaving a oGCD or both between each regular GCD and then use Heat Blast to recharge your oGCDs.

It's just weird to me. I'm still not happy with how they've ignored Flamethrower.

[Taranok]

Class overall is too braindead, Flamethrower has no synergy or gauge interaction and you could probably just throw it in the trash. Automaton Queen is such a boring skill and the lvl90 finisher extension from Pilebunker or whatever lacks impact. It'll do damage yeah but isn't "engaging".

Lvl90 should have been a G-Warrior mode or something actually interesting. MCH in 6.0 is super safe and really only adds Chainsaw as a battery generator and 2 charges of Reassemble to use on Drill and Air Anchor.

Easy QoL change to Hypercharge if ping is a problem is a stack system of 5 stacks. Easy fix. Will they do it? Nah.

Scattergun is going to see very prominent use due to generating 10 heat every time you fire it. Every 13 seconds(5 gcds) you are going to generate 50 heat. You can go to 100 in 26 seconds(10 gcds).

With your single target gcd combo in the same amount of time you only generate 25 heat and 10 battery. I dunno it looks weird.

Heat generation might be more important then your GCD combo and will make Autocrossbow and Heat Blast more frequent, especially Heat Blast since it seems to me the desired gameplay loop is use GCD combo while weaving a oGCD or both between each regular GCD and then use Heat Blast to recharge your oGCDs.

It's just weird to me. I'm still not happy with how they've ignored Flamethrower.

5 stacks, and increase the GCD to 2.0 seconds, or no longer make hypercharge a weave window but keep 1.5s, like Summoner's new Garuda phase. I understand that people hate how MCH wouldn't feel busy, but when there are design flaws in the game itself making the class unplayable to certain people through no fault of their own, it's time to design the classes entirely around this limitation existing.

I think Scattergun is mostly to get MCHs to use their heat on AoE rotations. I basically never touch the AoE even in dungeons because it's better to just save it for a boss burst. More love for auto crossbow is nice. And I share your hatred of flamethrower. You sit there for 10 seconds unable to do anything. They truly made that ability with the complete idea of fire and forget, both for how you use it, and how it's designed.

[Jirah]

Since SHB/EW style isn’t going anywhere MCH imo should homogenize and expand.

Turn Heat blast into a aoe, which means it’ll finally be aoe-able with Ricohet, Delete Gauss barrel and have it reset the skill full rather than 2 doing the same shit, Delete either WF or Barrel stabilizer and have each do each other’s role with WF instantly activating overheat or Barrel increasing potency of skills similar to skills like internal release or No mercy. And maybe ditch bio, flamethrower and chainsaw as all 3 of them don’t do shit and are just pointless filler, chainsaw could be a evolutionary trait to drill or just fine Air a extra charge if you want a third GCD so badly.

Or perhaps just delete Heat blast and turn MCH 1-2-3 rotation into some Gnashing fang affair when Heat is active, add Heat blast fake skill Speed to its 1-2-3 instead and have each skill reset your Charge skill (skill meaning singular) at the huge risk of playing too similarly to GNB. Maybe make a new skill that acts as a finisher after it concludes like Verflare . This is all incredibly unimaginative as it just borrows other ideas from RDM and GNB but just some word vomit I suppose.

[Warlyx]

Queen is one of the most boring skills ever

FT sucks why hasnt been removed , give mch a new aoe that burst bioblaster dot (similar to NIN doton+snakes or DRK salted earth + the new skill)

wildfire> charges already ....and maybe reset drill CD would be cool ...

another thing that would amazing if wildfire made that the target takes 10% more dmg but not gonna happen.

Barrel stabilizer : Makes next hypercharge free of cost

slug shot : lowers barrel stabilizer CD? or lowers Air anchor? chainsaw? cd for 5s

[Jirah]

Queen is one of the most boring skills ever

FT sucks why hasnt been removed , give mch a new aoe that burst bioblaster dot (similar to NIN doton+snakes or DRK salted earth + the new skill)

wildfire> charges already ....and maybe reset drill CD would be cool ...

another thing that would amazing if wildfire made that the target takes 10% more dmg but not gonna happen.

Barrel stabilizer : Makes next hypercharge free of cost

slug shot : lowers barrel stabilizer CD? or lowers Air anchor? chainsaw? cd for 5s

Slug suggestion would completely defeat the point of having a CD considering it’s a 1-2-3 skill and not utility of any kind. Skills that reset are OGCDs and MCH already has two it doesn’t need any more unless they expand upon the idea.