I hope Square doesn't keep deeming certain content unnecessary

[Raskbuck]

Plus the usual catboi villain guy doesn't exist on the First either. It was a stretch that he was there for the Stormblood one.

I feel like this is a really weak argument because, just like there's a First's equivalent of Rowena and Gerolt in the form of Mowen and Grenoldt, they could have added a reflection of him. I just get the impression it was scrapped last minute and the emote, presumably Flower Shower, was put on the Mog Station instead.

It seems like a lot of content was scrapped relatively late in the cycle, like the conclusion of Bozja building up for a possible continuation, but then doing a complete 180° and wrapping everything up through the Field Notes (plus Matsuno's confirmation on Twitter that the story is over).

[kaynide]

Unfortunate reality of old systems in MMOs is to just get left in the past. I mean, if serious dev time was spent on a system that is already obsolete and rarely used, would it suddenly start finding use in the community? Maybe…, or would people scream about wasted dev time and “why didn’t they just make a new DD??”?

Sometimes it’s better to just cut it off and start fresh/try something else. If the team has extra time for a kind of TLC update, great! I’d love to see some overhaul here and there…and maybe a removal of needlessly complicated things…but until they have that kinda budget/dev team, I’d rather they keep doin what they’re doin.

In response to why we have less total content.. I dunno.. I mean if they just made a new deep dungeon, it would be significantly easier to copy paste code than to make the entire Bozja system. So while there might be less end product for us to physically do, the code and man-hours put in are probably similar, and moreover the code put into place allows future systems based on the new code to be easier to do.

[ZedxKayn]

Unfortunate reality of old systems in MMOs is to just get left in the past. I mean, if serious dev time was spent on a system that is already obsolete and rarely used, would it suddenly start finding use in the community? Maybe…, or would people scream about wasted dev time and “why didn’t they just make a new DD??”?

Sometimes it’s better to just cut it off and start fresh/try something else. If the team has extra time for a kind of TLC update, great! I’d love to see some overhaul here and there…and maybe a removal of needlessly complicated things…but until they have that kinda budget/dev team, I’d rather they keep doin what they’re doin.

Arguably, old systems are obsolete and rarely used because the devs don't do anything with them after release, they could release them flawed and leave them to rot, or have a great release that becomes dated as they don't get new things, but leave these to rot instead of improving and refreshing them.

[Shurrikhan]

Arguably, old systems are obsolete and rarely used because the devs don't do anything with them after release, they could release them flawed and leave them to rot, or have a great release that becomes dated as they don't get new things, but leave these to rot instead of improving and refreshing them.

^

Step 1: Half-ass implementations for a given system.
Step 2: Stop iterating on the system.
Step 3: "Well, you wouldn't want us to waste time on something no one plays, would you?"
Step 4: Receive praise for "pragmatism" and/or "making the hard decisions."

[kaynide]

Arguably, old systems are obsolete and rarely used because the devs don't do anything with them after release, they could release them flawed and leave them to rot, or have a great release that becomes dated as they don't get new things, but leave these to rot instead of improving and refreshing them.

I haven’t done any of the guildhests or guildleves outside of those specifically required by the main story (achievement? Or to just check it off to say I did them once?), and I’ve been here since more or less day 1. They were dead content on arrival for me. The hall of the novice effectively has effectively replaced the guildhest system entirely and perhaps should be rolled together to teach mechanics.

I mean, good or bad, SE doesn’t bash their head on a wall trying to make something bad work for too long. They did a little with Diadem, but mostly if it isn’t so popular they move on and try something else. Some cases I think that’s a good call, others like Blu I think should get a little more refinement time.

[Jennah]

And for the right-thinking people who refuse to touch Bozja with a 10-yalm pole, there really IS dramatically less content...

[DrWho2010]

And for the right-thinking people who refuse to touch Bozja with a 10-yalm pole, there really IS dramatically less content...

that's on them then. not the devs. the game can't be everything to everyone. it will never happen.

[Infindox]

And for the right-thinking people who refuse to touch Bozja with a 10-yalm pole, there really IS dramatically less content...

Gods I'm tired of people like you around here. People actually enjoy the content. I hate fishing but other people who play the game enjot doing it and log on every day for it. There are people who love Eureka. Stop saying you are "right" for hating something. Everything in this game is not going to be for you, and the faster you realize this, the happier you'll be.


Anyways on to the main topic, as much as I loved ShB MSQ-wise and dungeon-wise, feels kinda lackluster in the patch content. I feel like the pandemic is somewhat to blame for this, but even before that happened it felt a bit lackluster.

[DPZ2]

Anyways on to the main topic, as much as I loved ShB MSQ-wise and dungeon-wise, feels kinda lackluster in the patch content. I feel like the pandemic is somewhat to blame for this, but even before that happened it felt a bit lackluster.

Wondering what 'content' is kinda lackluster? The new end-game raids? The lack of Hildebrand to spice things up? The story-line just not doing it for you? Bozja front not your thing?

The traditional MMO used to solve the 'content' problem with ... nothing, really. For months and months and months. < flashbacks to the what-seemed-to-be-the-eternity of the Hour of Twilight patch >

[Krissey]

Speaking of, I actually don't like when there is content that just stops but is still in the game. Guildhest and combat guildleve are two such contents. I've said in the past that combat guildleve is my favorite type of open world content, but since they're not updating it, I'd rather these two contents be removed and adjust the rewards for other contents to compensate.

I'm not sure how I feel about contents that seem to be replaced, like squadron-trust. If they roll trust to older contents, then I would be fine with removing squadron. Otherwise, I guess it could stay as it has distinguishable features, like being related to the GC.

Man I’m so sad they stopped doing the Squadron Missions where you can run a dungeon with your hand chosen mates from your GC. OTOH I love the trust system because it’s so immersive. I just think Squadrons are the perfect representation of what WoW wanted Garrison followers to be. In other words FFXIV did followers better but now they’re unsupported