Open World PvP

[GrimGale]

From a cursory look it seems the arguments against all boil down to "I wouldn't like it therefore it shouldn't happen".

But I don't think that anyone is saying that open world pvp shouldn't be opt-in (either by having pvp servers, a wow like warmode, or whatever else), so I don't understand those arguments.

Most arguments for it are also "I would like it therefore it should happen."

I agree, neither of those arguments are useful. I feel like people here are the worst ambassors for their causes.

That being said, some people have pointed out mechanical and game design arguments against unlimited, non-optional world PvP:

Ganking, griefing, player number dependence and general disinterest in PvP content in the community (Regular battlegrounds are mostly empty in this game except at peak hours.)

There also seems to be an aversion to PvP in general.
I can only say its a polemic issue. Seems like vocal players here, either love PvP to death or absolutely hate it.

Which incidentally makes it a good trolling topic.

[Krotoan]

But I don't think that anyone is saying that open world pvp shouldn't be opt-in (either by having pvp servers, a wow like warmode, or whatever else), so I don't understand those arguments.

Then you didn't read the OP. This whole thread started with wanting to PK people who the OP didn't agree with or didn't want around.

[Delis]

It's easy to explain : many people who ask "Open World" PVP cannot be satisfied with an PVP Server or an Opt-In system since most of the time, there are not enough encounter in their opinion, plus they can't exert their frustration with gank and GK.

If they only wanted PVP, they could explain what kind of change they wish on the PVP maps but no. They ask "Open World PVP". But in "Open World PVP", there are pretty less chance to meet someone who actually want PVP while wandering on maps than when tagging for PVP maps. What will they meet on "Open Maps" : people in leveling, people doing MSQ, people gathering. They... actually expect a fair and interesting encounter? Statistics make this pretty unlikely.

Now technically, nothing in the game is built for Open World PVP : the delay for job switch and the craft/gathering gearing system are not compatible.

Except most of us that are for it in this thread have said several times that we would like it to be it's own server/opt in, but people ignore that and go straight to the I don't want it or be ganked so no and if it's added I am going to leave argument. And about people worried about low levels being ganked nothing says SE can't put in a mechanic that says you can't attack a person over say 10 levels below you. But you could always have a low level job you can run around on though.

[SannaR]

Except most of us that are for it in this thread have said several times that we would like it to be it's own server/opt in, but people ignore that and go straight to the I don't want it or be ganked so no and if it's added I am going to leave argument. And about people worried about low levels being ganked nothing says SE can't put in a mechanic that says you can't attack a person over say 10 levels below you. But you could always have a low level job you can run around on though.

There's also people who flat outright ignore what the OP said they wanted which is a non opt in open world pvp. Which a lot of late comers are probably replying to. While others on the pro side take those comments straight to the assumption that we're only talking about pvp servers or that the general ask was for pvp servers and tell them to stop being a flipping cry baby in that they don't have to join the servers. Not everyone is going to read a 50+page thread. Many also don't imply that even if they did get servers or an opt in version that skills would have to be reworked or your hot bar would have to get switched any time you'd start a fight. Which is also a point in why there are those who don't want it due to its implementation would most likely need a complete overhaul of the pvp aspect of the game as how it is now sucks. Last but not least is the devs mind set of never wanting players feeling upset about even having the slightest fear of not being able to play with their friends or offending others if something like the friends list removal worked the way players think it should. It's why over the years they have said no to making or labeling servers an official anything. As both raiders and rpers have asked for servers just for them. If not to label them as such.

[Eldevern]

To be fair, I'm not only considering comments on the forum here but my experience in PVP MMOs since Lineage II to New World, how things really happen and what people say. There are always the same arguments and the same problems again and again.

From "fair" PVP "in theory" to greykill, gank, server take-over, unbalanced factions, win trade, drama, harassment, bullying, new players who are "food" for old players etc.

FFXIV was like some sort of fresh air since they don't repeat the mistake of "Open World PVP" with all the problems it brings.

[SturmChurro]

It's almost like players could have just played on PvE servers in other mmorpgs, or avoided PvP based mmos entirely. It's an odd concept.

[Krotoan]

So since we're so bought in to servers featuring things other people want to avoid. Full RP server too then?

[SturmChurro]

So since we're so bought in to servers featuring things other people want to avoid. Full RP server too then?

I've requested one for this game before actually. So, I'm all for it!

[Krotoan]

I've requested one for this game before actually. So, I'm all for it!

The funny thing is.. There used to be a couple non-official ones. But now there are people there persecuting the original inhabitants. So while I do actually support the idea.. I don't think you can just tell people NOT to go on a server or that they won't complain about the population who is "supposed" to be there.

[Fland]

It's almost like players could have just played on PvE servers in other mmorpgs, or avoided PvP based mmos entirely. It's an odd concept.

It's almost like players could have just played on PvP servers in other mmorpgs, or avoided PvE based mmos entirely. It's an odd concept.