Open World PvP

[Krotoan]

Let us be real outside of strict setting like ranked or a competitive mode one team will generally always put up against a weaker team. Especially if premades are involved, and wpvp is no different if people attack another’s from a more advantage position. PvP and bullying should never go hand in hand since that is just the nature of PvP.

As I specified. This can happen, but if this is the part you ENJOY.. then you are bullying.

Taking advantage of the weakest link or using an advantage is not bullying and each of those can still be found enjoyable. The aspect of bullying and PvP should never go hand in hand since that is a stance that could never be proven unless the person doing the action states otherwise it will always be based around an assumption of the person who was defeated.

People can say whatever they want, but it's pretty obvious that people speaking of ganking lowbies are enjoying that specific part of it. I don't need to prove it, people have outright said it in this thread. Not acknowledging that is being pretty disingenuous.

I get the idea where you are coming from but as someone that enjoy competitive PvP in games like EOS, WoW, and Tor your notion is a lofty dream the reality is as mentioned outside strict environments the parameters you put forth are already ever met. Especially because those who are skilled tend to be friend other skilled players in their respective games and thus stack the odds in their favor.

I don't think you do. I don't consider those games bullying, but bullying within the framework of PVP happens and people who revel in the bullying aspect of it make it worse for everyone else. There are people (such as myself) who enjoy this game in part BECAUSE it has no WPVP. I don't even have to think about it. I don't have to worry that some 12 year old with hours and hours on his hands can ruin my personal experience just because he's bored.


I played WoW (on a PVP server), AION, BDO, RO, AoC, all of which have PVP elements and were entertaining in their ways. What I never liked was someone within the framework of that PVP abusing it to antagonize others by bodycamping, or extreme high levels hanging out in lowbie areas, or camping necessary storyline NPC's, or ambushes in dangerous paths that exploited hitboxes and terrain.

These experiences drive people off and are good reasons for people NOT to want WPVP in a game that has never had it.

While I do not think it is your stance one could say your stance views premades with stacked players are nothing but bullies because they enjoy playing with friends.

One could say if they wanted to strawman my position. However it is not. I would however say a premade stacked with experienced players that abuses ranking ladders to play against lower ranked players (throwing to reduce rank) or buys new unranked accounts (smurfing is a pretty big problem in Overwatch) and stacks with experienced friends who have done the same IS bullying. The friends part is immaterial. The part we are discussing is strictly being a bully within the framework, not that the framework is bullying.

[VelKallor]

Taking advantage of the weakest link or using an advantage is not bullying and each of those can still be found enjoyable. The aspect of bullying and PvP should never go hand in hand since that is a stance that could never be proven unless the person doing the action states otherwise it will always be based around an assumption of the person who was defeated.

"Attacking a low level player to get higher level players to come and fight is the same as two 30 year olds beating up a 3 year old to get their parents to come out"- WOW GM 2016.