Open World PvP

[van_arn]

Open world pvp is also a goldmine for RPers, and gives them narrative possibilities beyond the illegal rp they engage in currently.

They’re usually the ones crying to gms when the wedding goes off the rails, to be fair.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Meanwhile said WoL murders people left and right and almost drives an entire species to extinction...yeesh

The WoL kills people because they're a soldier in a war, and it is brought up that it's still not a good thing, even if it's necessary. I mean, the entire point of the Stormblood dark knight quests is that the WoL is having a crisis of conscience about it.

Compare that to people in this very thread who talk about how they want to raid weddings and funerals, attack people who are just gathering or minding their own business, gang up and attack major cities, and so on. There's a big difference.

[Fyrebrand]

I think it's pretty strange for some players to accuse people of supporting 'bullying' because they happen to like PvP.

This thread was doomed from the beginning due to the way OP introduced the topic in the most flagrantly sus way possible. It doesn't seem like their true goal is to promote dynamic and healthy competition, or inject the open world experience with new activity. What they want is a method to deal with certain players who they don't like, by means of antagonism, forceful coercion, and generally escalating hostilities between individuals. In a sense, it's not even about PvP -- that's simply a means to an end. This is about OP's personal problems and inability to cope with some party finder listings they find repugnant.

it could be used as a way to settle disputes between players. In short, might would make right. It would also be a good way for players that have issues with certain pfs a way to take care of those without swamping an overworked GM with reports.

I mean, why would the topic of PF listings even be mentioned, with regards to Open World PvP? Seems strange to me, and painfully obvious that OP wants a way to subvert or circumvent the normal GM reporting process and fantasize about some kind of mob rule or vigilante justice.

To clarify, I would make sprouts excluded from the system (unless they wanted to opt in). This would be for at cap players and restricted from cities, but not housing districts.

Seems nice to mention that sprouts are protected unless they elect to opt in, but just saying that implies that PvP would be mandatory for the rest of us. Also: restricting PvP in cities but NOT housing districts?? Why should there be PvP in housing districts? Is it because that's where the RP that OP doesn't like happens? Hmm, who can say?

it would improve player relations immensely and really build a sense of community or risk being a target because of your actions.

I can practically see OP's salivations seeping through my monitor, as they dream about stalking some random RP-er and calling out to their FC gang to go swarm them as soon as they exit Limsa Lominsa.

Hey, it certainly makes people more polite with fear of reprisal from being discourteous.

"More polite." Right. I'm sure we can all trust OP to decide what is polite and what is deserving of "reprisal" or painting someone as a public "target."

then we can finally have a server free of pf filth.

There's that Party Finder beef, again. Is this really why we need mandatory, open-world PvP in this game? Should that be the reason Yoshi-P and the team take this idea seriously?

You don't send a request, you just locate them and make playing the game pain until they stop with their pf nonsense.

AGAIN, with the PF obsession. And OP is literally saying they want to "make playing the game a pain" for others. Do we really still find it strange for some players to accuse people of supporting bullying in this thread anymore? Honestly?

In addendum, it would be a great way to vent frustrations instead of the passive aggressive toxicity we have now.

Yup, vent your personal frustrations by going around harassing people trying to play Final Fantasy. This topic is so High Quality, I'll get double the xp for turning it in.

it lets rpers take their game to another level instead of all that illegal rp they indulge in.

My gosh, it never ends with this, does it!?

I've found the more you try and constrict something the more "toxic" it becomes.

What a great reason to go around trying to constrict how other people get to enjoy the game through literal, inescapable in-game violence and "fear of reprisal" if they do or say things OP doesn't agree with! Do we still believe this is even about PvP anymore?

Edit: OMG, they posted about the RP players even while I was writing this reply!!!

[Arillyn]

Open world pvp is also a goldmine for RPers, and gives them narrative possibilities beyond the illegal rp they engage in currently.

People who RP and do PVP as RP in the open world don't need this LOL. RPers do this in a number of ways, through chat, random rolls, and other things. They quite often have very detailed rules and such.

[Theodric]

People who RP and do PVP as RP in the open world don't need this LOL. RPers do this in a number of ways, through chat, random rolls, and other things. They quite often have very detailed rules and such.

As a role-player myself, it's worth noting that it differs significantly in terms of style. It wasn't unusual for disputes to be resolved through PvP and duels back in WoW between role-players on the European servers. In fact, I took part in a lot of narrative driven community made RP PVP events on Argent Dawn EU.

Give players tools to work with in an MMO and they'll make something out of it.

I don't bother with RP in FFXIV for various reasons - not in the least because most of the legitimate role-players have been discouraged by illegal role-play.

[van_arn]

People who RP and do PVP as RP in the open world don't need this LOL. RPers do this in a number of ways, through chat, random rolls, and other things. They quite often have very detailed rules and such.

Rules that tend to collapse as soon as more than two people are involved.

Reeeeeeee

You’re ignoring context again. In all of these situations, if it occurs in a pvp game or server or individual opt-in system which means players are asking for this content. That includes what you see as bullies: they’re asking for exactly the same thing to happen to them. In reality no one’s a bully, they’re all just playing the game.

I don’t see this happening in xiv (even if the wol kicks ice mages and solo pulling tanks in expert) but I’d like to see world pvp happen even if it never will.

[Arillyn]

As a role-player myself, it's worth noting that it differs significantly in terms of style. It wasn't unusual for disputes to be resolved through PvP and duels back in WoW between role-players on the European servers. In fact, I took part in a lot of narrative driven community made RP PVP events on Argent Dawn EU.

Give players tools to work with in an MMO and they'll make something out of it.

And I don't disagree with you there. But this entire thread has nothing to do with giving RPers tools. It has to do with ganking people the OP doesn't like.

[Bopsheezi]

I would drop the game so hard if open world PvP was forced on me.

[van_arn]

I would drop the game so hard if open world PvP was forced on me.

Most would, which means even in the edge case where it’s added it would be entirely opt-in. That doesn’t mean you could opt out later, though.

[Saito_S]

No, it is not a forum diagnosis. Schadenfreude is an emotion every person has experienced at some point, it is not a mental disorder. The thing about that emotion is that it has a negative relationship with self-esteem. People with less self-esteem tend to experience it more frequently and intensely and vice versa. It is just what it is.

Okay, to clarify (and per van_arm's most recent posts basically clarifying the same thing), I was not talking about ganking people that don't want to be ganked when I pushed back against your "self-esteem" comment. I probably could have made this more clear, but I was referring to the idea of people who DO opt-in, whether by rolling on a pvp server or ticking the opt-in box or whatever. The idea that people are ganking each other, crashing events, etc. and everyone is fine with it because they all want to participate in this whole big crazy open-world pvp system. That's what (as far as I can tell) van_arm was talking about when he insisted that some people enjoy that kind of environment, and that's what I thought you were referring to when you said "you need to have low self-esteem to enjoy this." The people getting ganked or getting their wedding crashed, etc. wouldn't seriously have a problem with it... because next week, those same people might be the ones doing the ganking and crashing.

If we are talking about literally just pure open-world pvp that is forced on everyone, with no opt-in, then yeah. I agree with you then (to a point). Enjoying ganking folks and killing gatherers and crashing events when the people you are attacking do not want to be a part of it? That's just asshole-ish. Of course, in that scenario, some blame would have to go to the devs for making the game like that and allowing it to happen. Fortunately, there is basically zero chance of non-opt-in open world pvp being added to FFXIV.

People, who like griefing other players, think very little of themselves and tbh they are right to do so. You can't find griefing a fun activity unless you have self-esteem issues. That's the reality of it.
A big stretch would be to say that griefing other human beings is a fun activity and thinking or pretending that everything is fine with that person's mind. Nope, if everything was fine with him he wouldn't like doing it in the first place. Griefing is not some random activity or hobby to be generalized like you just did. You are actually causing someone else to feel miserable and you are enjoying it. You can't be sane if you do that.

This is why I said "to a point". Call them assholes or trolls or bullies, question their morals, sure. But saying "you like this, therefore, you have low self-esteem" is LITERALLY a forum diagnoses since "low self-esteem" is a psychological condition that you are concluding they have. I'll call out bully-types all day and say that I think they're crass and that it's screwed up that they find enjoyment in making other people miserable. I just don't like ascribing behavior observed in a fellow player of an online game to a specific mental state without some evidence.