Open World PvP

[Kes13a]

Never said a single word about the PVE community, which wasn't what I had in mind. Just gcbtw.

well then to be precise... which portion of the FFXIV community not in favour of open world pvp did you mean... exactly?

[Artemiz]

well then to be precise... which portion of the FFXIV community not in favour of open world pvp did you mean... exactly?

He is just trying to be edgy I think, like a teenager swearing in public and stuff

[Theodric]

He is just trying to be edgy I think, like a teenager swearing in public and stuff

He's significantly more mature than the vast majority of naysayers in this thread.

Once again the FFXIV players supposedly so concerned with 'toxicity' prove to be among the first to resort to personal attacks and attempted character assassination of individuals they do not know in the slightest.

[Artemiz]

I didn’t know being edgy was associated with being able to give out facts...In that case no wonder a majority of the community doesn’t like being edgy

You might have to point out what he said that was factual, I saw lots of opinions myself

Try think a little harder, then. It's more that I find that portion of the community's stance to this game to be a big reason why it's so stuck in the mud and insipid.

Oh right, probably why the game has gone from strength to strength and is still growing, breaking the standard MMO mould of growth, because it's stuck in the mud and insipid. Hot take that

He's significantly more mature than the vast majority of naysayers in this thread.

Once again the FFXIV players supposedly so concerned with 'toxicity' prove to be among the first to resort to personal attacks and attempted character assassination of individuals they do not know in the slightest.

You have got to be kidding with this, he throws out a barrage of insults against the player base because people don't agree with him, then blurts out the classic, and already boring gcbtw meme and you think my little comment is the example of toxicity? Get real.

[Theodric]

You have got to be kidding with this, he throws out a barrage of insults against the player base because people don't agree with him, then blurts out the classic, and already boring gcbtw meme and you think my little comment is the example of toxicity? Get real.

He did no such thing, though it's pretty clear to me that there's little reasoning with certain posters at this point. I also happen to know him both in-game and the real world, so I daresay I'm a far better judge of his character and intent than someone who has read a handful of his forum posts and chosen to attribute them entirely to false premises.

Personally I don't see much point in getting up in arms over a meme, either. Some people find them funny, others don't. I think that the prudent course would be to shrug and move on instead of trying to actively tarnish someone's reputation by misconstruing their contributions to a thread.

[Artemiz]

Is that why we’re missing so much content this expansion?While also having constant content downgrades compared to last expansion...

No, that's probably the global pandemic, you might have heard of it. With everyone working from home, and some working from a hospital bed it's kind of inevitable. The player base however is growing very nicely.

He did no such thing, though it's pretty clear to me that there's little reasoning with certain posters at this point. I also happen to know him both in-game and the real world, so I daresay I'm a far better judge of his character and intent than someone who has read a handful of his forum posts and chosen to attribute them entirely to false premises.

Personally I don't see much point in getting up in arms over a meme, either. Some people find them funny, others don't. I think that the prudent course would be to shrug and move on instead of trying to actively tarnish someone's reputation by misconstruing their contributions to a thread.

Right..... so you don't think this was meant to be insulting then..... ok

The most they seem able to handle is uwu sugoi catboi twinkle-eyes. Whether it is the story and even allowing for the possibility of character deaths, darker job concepts, content that a certain portion of this community disdains, such as open world PVP apparently, unfortunately the more vocal components of this game's community are very set in their ways and would probably see it turned into a visual novel if they could.

Also, nobody has even been insulting in this thread really, up until now. It's jsut people who disagree with you giving their reasons for it. Don't be such a wallflower. If you want to go on about in-game toxicity I would say taking joy in,

Killing noobs,
ruining weddings,
ruining funerals,
trolling gatherers,
attacking low level players,
raiding towns,
etc...

Is far worse, and all have been suggested as perfectly fine and dandy ways to enjoy yourself.

The opposition to PvP has not even been on the same scale as the people who have put up arguments wanting it and why.

[Theodric]

Right..... so you don't think this was meant to be insulting then..... ok

That's correct. I also don't believe that his assessment is wrong, given that a very vocal portion of the community is arguably preventing the game itself from having any real stakes or consequences in the story.

You might have missed how this very thread had a fair few posts arguing over that very line of reasoning in an attempt to shut down the idea of open world PvP.

Also, nobody has even been insulting in this thread really, up until now.

You must have missed the post where someone outright accused another poster of being a sociopath, then - which is a pretty horrid accusation to throw at someone over a video game of all things.

I'm also disinclined to attribute some of the more vocal opposition to this thread's premise as mere disagreements. I've been posting on this forum for years now and I've noticed a steady trend where there exists a very vocal portion of the FFXIV community that seeks to dismantle any and all suggestions to the game even if the proposal is based around something entirely optional that would not require their interaction in any conceivable way.

The individuals who do not wish to engage in open world PvP would not be forced to partake of it - leaving it to foster it's own micro-community of enthusiasts in a manner similar to the micro-communities that have popped up around A and S rank hunts. I'd also argue BLU qualifies as similarly niche content. Some people like it, others don't - but much like high stakes PvP, there's a niche for it...as this very thread proves even though it is in itself only a very narrow portion of the overall FFXIV community.

[van_arn]

Also, nobody has even been insulting in this thread really, up until now. It's jsut people who disagree with you giving their reasons for it. Don't be such a wallflower. If you want to go on about in-game toxicity I would say taking joy in,

Killing noobs,
ruining weddings,
ruining funerals,
trolling gatherers,
attacking low level players,
raiding towns,
etc...

Is far worse, and all have been suggested as perfectly fine and dandy ways to enjoy yourself.

The opposition to PvP has not even been on the same scale as the people who have put up arguments wanting it and why.

All of the above take place on an opt-in pvp setting, and are part of the package. The fact that you keep repeating this as an example of toxicity (especially when it's just part of this ruleset) just underscores how you are not capable of understanding why this might be appealing for anyone (especially someone perfectly sane) to participate in.

I'm sorry, but you're out of your depth. This is why I say people that don't enjoy open pvp can't comprehend jt. It's so utterly foreign to this peaceful type of player they simply can't comprehend why anyone would want to "interrupt their gameplay" with this style of play.

If you don't want to open yourself to danger, you don't have to. For those willing to opt in, it's an amazing experience that can tell stories that can rival the best parts of the MSQ-- because the players themselves made those stories happen.

Frankly, I don't trust the judgement of much of this community over what is toxic. It can't even see toxicity in itself, let alone elsewhere.

[Lauront]

well then to be precise... which portion of the FFXIV community not in favour of open world pvp did you mean... exactly?

The people very vocally shouting down any request touching on the areas I mentioned, of which there is an abundance of examples one can survey by simply reviewing threads on those topics. Not really hard to grasp, now is it? No idea why you'd think I meant the PVE community, either.

He is just trying to be edgy I think, like a teenager swearing in public and stuff

Try think a little harder, then. It's more that I find that portion of the community's stance to this game to be a big reason why it's so stuck in the mud and insipid.