Open World PvP

[Artemiz]

Agreed. Even if the technical issues were ironed out, the community is utterly incompatible with the concept.

By technical issues I assume you mean rebalancing the entire game, regardless of an opt in option, you would still have to do that.

What I don't like is how, a lot of the time when I see something like this pop up for discussions online, apparently wanting to PvP makes you a bad person. Like.. no? I (we?) just like a different type of gameplay experience. If open PvP is opt-in, like joining a PvP server, or a PvP game, and a person can't handle being ganked, or having to participate in PvP... then I'm sorry, but maybe PvP actually isn't for them.. and that's okay! .. But like.. people shouldn't complain about it when they might have to PvP if they chose to be there..

If FFXIV actually did open world PvP, let's be real, it would be opt in.

Wanting PvP doesn't make anyone a bad person, competition with a human opponent is fun. Enjoying ruining someone else's day, like at a wedding, when they don't want to fight you most certainly does make you a bad person.

[SturmChurro]

Wanting PvP doesn't make anyone a bad person, competition with a human opponent is fun. Enjoying ruining someone else's day, like at a wedding, when they don't want to fight you most certainly does make you a bad person.

No it does not. If they have rolled somewhere where they can be PvPed at a wedding, they should be expecting the possibility of having to defend their event. A lot of fun has been had in games with event crashings. It should be fun for both sides really. I've seen event hosts have their guild, or friends as guards to defend the event. A lot of player cooperation. It really is quite fun.

Obviously it's the wedding goers faults for not bringing a veritable armory of weapons to defend their selves in the event of a spontaneous wedding raid :y

I literally just posted about guards at events!

[Delis]

No it does not. If they have rolled somewhere where they can be PvPed at a wedding, they should be expecting the possibility of having to defend their event. A lot of fun has been had in games with event crashings. It should be fun for both sides really. I've seen event hosts have their guild, or friends as guards to defend the event. A lot of player cooperation. It really is quite fun.

I literally just posted about guards at events!

Yes! I use to be a guard for my guild in another mmo on the pvp server. It was fun, we would do patrols, we had scouts running around the area keeping an eye out for any threats. It was a lot of fun, and no bad blood between people.

[DPZ2]

... and no bad blood between people.

< Flashbacks of non-PvP worlds with dozens of dead quest givers and flight masters, every day at 5 pm CDT/CST, for months and months >

< Flashbacks of Rogues in PvP, who could basically run circles around non-rogues in PvP on non-PvP worlds, killing every single NPC in an area you just flew in to in order to level up. Rogues who stayed around long enough doing it again and again in order to make leveling for the day a living hell for non-PvP players >

Sure. No bad blood. whatsoever.

Nope. The day open world PvP hits a server on FFXIV is the day I quit and spend my money on something else.

And remember, all you PvP fanciers out there who would shout "good riddance!" ... no bad blood between people. Pfui.

[Delis]

< Flashbacks of non-PvP worlds with dozens of dead quest givers and flight masters, every day at 5 pm CDT/CST, for months and months >

< Flashbacks of Rogues in PvP, who could basically run circles around non-rogues in PvP on non-PvP worlds, killing every single NPC in an area you just flew in to in order to level up. Rogues who stayed around long enough doing it again and again in order to make leveling for the day a living hell for non-PvP players >

Sure. No bad blood. whatsoever.

Nope. The day open world PvP hits a server on FFXIV is the day I quit and spend my money on something else.

And remember, all you PvP fanciers out there who would shout "good riddance!" ... no bad blood between people. Pfui.

Way to take my quote out of context. You do realize we were talking about player run events and the people hosting the event having guards. My no bad blood was to the people attacking the event and the guards marching out and meeting the attackers and protecting the event. It was fun and no one had bad blood because they were doing it to have fun and we were having fun too. No where was I talking about attacking npcs etc. You would also quit if the game ever added pvp servers? Servers you dont have to play on. Talk about thin skinned and a bit childish. Oh no they added a server for people that like a certain content that I dont have to partake in. Guess its time to take my ball and go home. *sniff sniff*

[TaleraRistain]

< Flashbacks of non-PvP worlds with dozens of dead quest givers and flight masters, every day at 5 pm CDT/CST, for months and months >

Yep, WoW, the Barrens, being a low level Horde just trying to do your quests on any server you were unlucky enough to choose that had a high Alliance population. Or vice versa. People think that opt-in won't affect others. But it does in ways like that. I can't tell you how many times I couldn't do things in Undercity or The Barrens because it was a favorite target of the Alliance on my server. WoW also wasn't particularly fun because you could be forced into PvP by getting close to an area of the opposite faction without realizing it. And there were plenty of opportunists who would lie in wait for new folks doing just that. Or people trying to do some of the summer events that intentionally were placed in the opposite faction's area but weren't actually considered PvP achievements since you could "technically" do them without engaging with the other faction.

Some people in this thread are asking for separate PvP servers. Okay, got no problem with that. Don't even have an issue with development time on it if the appeal is widespread enough to keep them populated. But even opt-in on a PvE server has ripple effects. And like someone said, no one is afraid of the PKers. They don't want to deal with the bullshit when they're just trying to enjoy some time in the game.

[Artemiz]

No it does not. If they have rolled somewhere where they can be PvPed at a wedding, they should be expecting the possibility of having to defend their event. A lot of fun has been had in games with event crashings. It should be fun for both sides really. I've seen event hosts have their guild, or friends as guards to defend the event. A lot of player cooperation. It really is quite fun.

Sure, in a PvP game. This isn't a PvP game. So if this suggestion to make it one happened then nobody would have rolled on a PvP server. We would all just be forced to put up with it. PvP vs PvE is a dividing line between players, some like it, some don't. The whole basis for this thread is to force it onto people who chose to play a game without it. When I want to PvP I play a game that already caters to it, was designed around it and balanced for that purpose. When I boot up this game it's because I want to stab princesses, rescue dragons, craft in peace and gather cotton bolls, in peace.

All the suggestions made to accommodate both types of player would require huge amounts of development resources to pull off, when we are already losing content as it is. It's not even close to worth it to completely change the direction of a games development history to please, in this game at least, a small minority at the expense of the majority.

I would give this advice to anyone asking me about starting this game, if PvP is important to you, don't bother, pick something else as there are plenty of options out there for you is that's what you want. It's not a comprehension issue, or gatekeeping or anything like that, it's the fact that this game isn't PvP focused and it's attracted players who also, aren't PvP focused.

If you started watching a TV show, lets say Game of thrones, and after season 8 it suddenly turned into a gritty WW2 drama, don't you think that would put off the fans? The answer is simple, if you want WW2 watch Band of Brothers, if you want dragons watch Game of Thrones.

[SturmChurro]

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I have been talking about the concept of open world PvP in general, and how it was implemented in other games in the exact same genre as this game. I even stated earlier "If FFXIV actually did open world PvP, let's be real, it would be opt in."

I think this quote is a fine retort to this. I'll bold certain parts:

FFXIV takes the theme park approach as an MMO. It strives to have a little something for everyone, though for some strange reason a vocal portion of the community insist on stamping out anything that they themselves do not wish to see in terms of content even when and where there is a clear niche for it.

I think it's very strange and rather off-putting, personally. Especially when a lot of it is based on rhetoric around other MMO's. I don't think people need to go and play something other than FFXIV to get a specific bit of content that they like.

PvP is implemented in a way that is entirely optional. That wouldn't likely change and - shockingly - anyone who didn't like PvP would therefore not have to partake of it.

I just hope some of the upcoming MMO's end up providing some healthy competition for FFXIV so the developers are forced to do more to make the game stand out.

This is an ongoing MMO. Players requested male viera which were never before seen in an FF game, and they got it! Why can't players request open world PvP too? This game does have PvP, believe it or not. I think along with improvements to the PvP in general, open world PvP would be a fine addition to this game.

[Arrius]

This is an ongoing MMO. Players requested male viera which were never before seen in an FF game, and they got it! Why can't players request open world PvP too? This game does have PvP, believe it or not. I think along with improvements to the PvP in general, open world PvP would be a fine addition to this game.

PvP in MMORPG's are stagnating in the last few years, so why betting on a horse that will never make it worth the effort other than instanced PvP or PvPvE?

[Artemiz]

PvP exists in FFXIV, thus the request is valid as far as I'm concerned. Again, it's a theme park MMO designed to attract a broad audience with different tastes. I don't do Ultimate, though it's there for people who do. Others refuse to touch crafting or gathering but once again it is there for the players who wish to indulge in that aspect of the game.

It wouldn't be a case of changing FFXIV's genre in any way. It'd just be another slice of content available to those who wish to actively seek it out and engage with it.

It isn't theme park if it's open world PVP though. You don't do Ultimate, imagine if people were wanting all the games difficulty to be that level. You won't get to opt in or opt out if it's open world. Even if they did put that kind of functionality in it would take vast resources to pull off and, like you said, we already have PvP. If they improve what already here I will be happy for you.

I have been talking about the concept of open world PvP in general, and how it was implemented in other games in the exact same genre as this game. I even stated earlier "If FFXIV actually did open world PvP, let's be real, it would be opt in."

I think this quote is a fine retort to this. I'll bold certain parts:



This is an ongoing MMO. Players requested male viera which were never before seen in an FF game, and they got it! Why can't players request open world PvP too? This game does have PvP, believe it or not. I think along with improvements to the PvP in general, open world PvP would be a fine addition to this game.

It might be the same genre but each game is it's own world. In WoW for example you have one class, you craft, gather and explore on that one class. You build it up and then maybe you can handle yourself out in the open world. Cool.

In 14 we can change class, how is my gatherer going to fare against your combat job? or my low level WHM? how is my weaver supposed to defend itself in town? What happens to the mats I just popped into my craft if you attack me halfway through it?

If we restrict it to combat jobs only, you won't get any PvP, I will just travel everywhere on a gatherer, like everyone else will. Otherwise it would be suicide to leave any safe area not on your main. This would ruin gathering, daily's etc...

Tanks and healers will have to be nerfed heavily, no way a DPS can beat them as they are now, so everything else in the game will also have to be rebalanced to reflect 2 core pillars of the trinity getting heavy nerfs.

The problems of adding open world PvP to a game that simply hasn't been designed with it in mind, so long after it's inception are practically endless, and so is the development needed.

If you are asking for the PvP aspects of the game to get more attention and updates then I'm with you. I probably wouldn't do it but if people are doing it, great. Inflicting it on the rest of us who don't want it? no way.