Open World PvP

[Delis]

It's easy to explain : many people who ask "Open World" PVP cannot be satisfied with an PVP Server or an Opt-In system since most of the time, there are not enough encounter in their opinion, plus they can't exert their frustration with gank and GK.

If they only wanted PVP, they could explain what kind of change they wish on the PVP maps but no. They ask "Open World PVP". But in "Open World PVP", there are pretty less chance to meet someone who actually want PVP while wandering on maps than when tagging for PVP maps. What will they meet on "Open Maps" : people in leveling, people doing MSQ, people gathering. They... actually expect a fair and interesting encounter? Statistics make this pretty unlikely.

Now technically, nothing in the game is built for Open World PVP : the delay for job switch and the craft/gathering gearing system are not compatible.

Except most of us that are for it in this thread have said several times that we would like it to be it's own server/opt in, but people ignore that and go straight to the I don't want it or be ganked so no and if it's added I am going to leave argument. And about people worried about low levels being ganked nothing says SE can't put in a mechanic that says you can't attack a person over say 10 levels below you. But you could always have a low level job you can run around on though.

[SannaR]

Except most of us that are for it in this thread have said several times that we would like it to be it's own server/opt in, but people ignore that and go straight to the I don't want it or be ganked so no and if it's added I am going to leave argument. And about people worried about low levels being ganked nothing says SE can't put in a mechanic that says you can't attack a person over say 10 levels below you. But you could always have a low level job you can run around on though.

There's also people who flat outright ignore what the OP said they wanted which is a non opt in open world pvp. Which a lot of late comers are probably replying to. While others on the pro side take those comments straight to the assumption that we're only talking about pvp servers or that the general ask was for pvp servers and tell them to stop being a flipping cry baby in that they don't have to join the servers. Not everyone is going to read a 50+page thread. Many also don't imply that even if they did get servers or an opt in version that skills would have to be reworked or your hot bar would have to get switched any time you'd start a fight. Which is also a point in why there are those who don't want it due to its implementation would most likely need a complete overhaul of the pvp aspect of the game as how it is now sucks. Last but not least is the devs mind set of never wanting players feeling upset about even having the slightest fear of not being able to play with their friends or offending others if something like the friends list removal worked the way players think it should. It's why over the years they have said no to making or labeling servers an official anything. As both raiders and rpers have asked for servers just for them. If not to label them as such.

[TheMightyMollusk]

From a cursory look it seems the arguments against all boil down to "I wouldn't like it therefore it shouldn't happen".

But I don't think that anyone is saying that open world pvp shouldn't be opt-in (either by having pvp servers, a wow like warmode, or whatever else), so I don't understand those arguments.

Personally, I don't like it, but my POV is "Put it on its own server and I just won't go there". As long as the server has a warning on it so people know what they're getting into, it's fine.

I mean, it makes no sense lore-wise, but neither do playable male Miqo'te or Viera, so that's a slim excuse.

[Krotoan]

But I don't think that anyone is saying that open world pvp shouldn't be opt-in (either by having pvp servers, a wow like warmode, or whatever else), so I don't understand those arguments.

Then you didn't read the OP. This whole thread started with wanting to PK people who the OP didn't agree with or didn't want around.

[Taliriah]

Then you didn't read the OP. This whole thread started with wanting to PK people who the OP didn't agree with or didn't want around.

The op didn't say that playing in an open world environment where these things would be possible shouldn't be opt-in.

[Artemiz]

The op didn't say that playing in an open world environment where these things would be possible shouldn't be opt-in.

No but he does mention going after people who's party finder he doesn't like. During the course of this thread its quite obvious what some peoples motivations are, they have been quite open about it.

[Taliriah]

No but he does mention going after people who's party finder he doesn't like. During the course of this thread its quite obvious what some peoples motivations are, they have been quite open about it.

It's irrelevant as long as it's opt-in. If people want to play in an open world pvp server where they can kill each other whenever they want, their motivations are not your business. Who are you to judge what other players do?

[ElciaDeiLinus]

From a cursory look it seems the arguments against all boil down to "I wouldn't like it therefore it shouldn't happen".

But I don't think that anyone is saying that open world pvp shouldn't be opt-in (either by having pvp servers, a wow like warmode, or whatever else), so I don't understand those arguments.

Well, those who want wpvp want different things- some want an opt in system sure, but there's others here saying that'd want it so they can gank people who bug them, which would clearly be a non-consensual wpvp system.

I think though that 'not enough would use it' is a pretty good reason to consider, whether you're for or against it. If you're against it- obviously the reasoning that this would take a lot of resources, and may result in less pvp content elsewhere, pvp content that they may want.

But for those who do want wpvp- if there's no interest, and you have a small wpvp community split across dozens of zones, you won't get wpvp anyway. It'd almost be best to do an instanced zone somewhat like what GW2/ESO do rather than have the entire world be wpvp- which is kind of somewhere between wpvp and instanced pvp.

[SniperCT]

From a cursory look it seems the arguments against all boil down to "I wouldn't like it therefore it shouldn't happen".

But I don't think that anyone is saying that open world pvp shouldn't be opt-in (either by having pvp servers, a wow like warmode, or whatever else), so I don't understand those arguments.

I'm sure it's been said before but I'm not reading all these pages lol

To me, the game setting is not really fitting for open world pvp. It barely makes sense for the 3 faction pvp maps we have now. We're all supposed to be heroes for Eorzea first and members of our Grand Companies second, PLUS the GCs are all allies right now and generally would not stand for us all murdering each other.

But that's only half of it for me.

Almost every game I've ever played with pvp in it has messed up pve with attempts to balance pvp. The way pvp is now in ff14 doesn't really effect pve because it's kind of walled off with its own stats and skills. As it should be.

Sure, we could have a pvp server, but any and all changes to the game to make pvp more fair WILL affect the pve servers by virtue of all using the same ... everything. So even if the pvp is opt-in, it will still affect the PvE aspect of the game, and if its like every other game, that will be a negative effect.

TLDR LORE plus nerfing a class in PvP will also nerf it in PvE are why I'm a hard nope to open world pvp in this game. (and I generally enjoy pvp when I feel like opting in)

[linayar]

Cause I have beaten people higher level then myself as a mage in classic WoW.

That's why I said "usually."