Open World PvP

[Jettinson]

Kinda bold to suggest it considering how much needs to be done for the PvP in this game.

If I learned anything from games like Dark Souls, is that there are many people who would not stand to have random players suddenly come at you.
I would not mind but the balance of this PvP and all would make me want to outright avoid an open world.

Lore wise is nothing important, part of the game even mocks and judges players/companies that fight each other as a form of sport and there are many nuances that do not get explained much or talked.


But for a shorter answer: No, they have enough stuff to worry on the plate.

[VirusOnline]

XIV does not have the proper framework or server to client response times to implement a true and interactive open world PvP or even PvP in general.
Interactive PvP should require realtime, if not as close as possible to realtime, in server response. This is why FPS and WoW PvP works.
XIV's infamously janky server mechanics (built in lag) makes for a craptastic PvP scene.

Another thing to consider is the "balance" of our classes as they exist in PvE do not translate well to PvP.
PvP mostly relies on unbalance. Our classes are so beautifully balanced that it destroys PvP's needs of having good unbalance and class specific skills rather than role specific skills.

[Kes13a]

hard pass on open world pvp.

zero interest in that, and would begrudge any development time it takes away from anything else.

This is not a game with a huge pvp focus, and I doubt I am alone in prefering that.

you cannot take a non-pvp focused game and impose an overarching open world pvp system that would work or make anyone happy.

[Taebok]

In a game such as WoW where open world PvP was designed to be part of the game, it's soooo popular that even on PvP servers almost no one does it.
And those that do overwhelmingly use it to gank and troll people.

So it's not just a no to adding it to 14, it's an "Aw HELL no!"

[BaconBits]

Lets go through this.. it would force you to group up to progress or risk being griefed..

You think having better gear or higher level makes you "right"..

Having the ability to just walk in and kill people doing things you don't agree with is how you'd like to solve your problem.



What part of this is "Improving the game immensely" for anyone except griefers?


To be fair at least you're morally consistent in your posts. But this is just all kinds of not what FFXIV has been about for 10 years.




Oh look.. exactly why we shouldn't do this. Thank you for writing it out.

You're welcome lol.

[Roeshel]

No thanks ahah. I overlevel classes on purpose to avoid fighting mobs in the open world. I’d like to not have to think about players on top of that.

Maybe, as an alternative, having an open world PVP MODE? You set your character to a status and it allows you to be attacked, but in order to attack you have to also have this status? This way those who wish to only play PvE are open and allowed to do so and don’t have to worry about random attacks.

Or even a 1 on 1 gladiatorial-style PvP mode.

Open world PvP usually has some filters as to who can be attacked or penalties occur if someone is griefing. Otherwise, if there are no filters open world PvP is just fancy wording for what it truly is: a griefing fest. Games like that die as fast as the newbies who want to level up their characters.

[Rannie]

So, bathing in the blood of the people you slaughter is fine and good? Laughing about their deaths is fine? Fray killing and hurting the people in the ishgard encampments is fine? You’re making a lot of excuses for this when it’s very clearly leaning towards a chaotic way of moralities. Especially when there’s literally an instance where we threaten the life of an unarmed guy, and then kill him when he calls guards to defend himself. Yeah no that ain’t good. It’s called the WoL thinking they’re above everyone. As for Reaper, we’re literally controlling a voidsent. That’s all we need to know. It doesn’t matter how it happens, it’s explicitly deemed that any relationship of conjuring a voidsent is taboo.

That unarmed guy was an overseer for a Woman who was arrested for not only using a roofie on WoL to stop them from stopping her stopping the peace talks between Vidofnir and Aymeric before we got to kill Nidhogg. This "unarmed" Mam was also being physically and mentally abusive to said Woman who was also just lashing out due to Dragons killing her husband. We also tried to speak to said unarmed man but he was being a belligerent ass to The WoL and hero of Ishgard who stopped the dragon song war and killed Nidhog and saved Estinien. Which also we didn't attack until he and the guards started to attack us.

Edit: on the subject of Open World PvP... I'm going to have to do a hard pass on it. I've played Nexus The Kingdom of Winds when it Introduced open Area PvP zones. Unfortunately, it soured me to it since those were zones you had to travel through to get to different towns... sadly to say it happened when I was minding my own business and was i killed by some random rogue who was invisible and thus lost a good weapon that my bf/in game husband bought me when I hit max level. It was breakable on death... have really hated PvP since then.

[Infindox]

I would be too, then we can finally have a server free of pf filth.

........ There would still be bad pfs in a server like that.

[Saviin]

Unfortunately, I don't think Final Fantasy XIV would be a good vehicle for focusing on open-world PVP, and I've got a few reasons for this (I can't speak for the technical considerations so I'll stick with player experience stuff):

1. As others have mentioned before - baked-in delays on actions; I think most pvp is at it's best when it's close to real-time as possible, but FFXIV was built with the idea that it would be playable at roughly 200 ping. Can you say "Splat?" See Blade and Soul.

2. Skill Balance between PvP and PvE, or Separate Skills Bars -
Both Blade&Soul and Elder Scrolls Online (ESO), use the same skills for PvP that are in PvE; this resulted in some very potent skill tree and gear set builds in PvP that resulted in some jobs being virtually unplayable or one-trick ponies in PvE group content once the devs nerfed them (cries in Warlock and Soul Fighter).

3. I would have no issues on a separate PVP zone or server, if SE gives Yoshi-P the human resources to develop and maintain it while keeping PvE content worked on as well. ESO does allow open-world dueling (including in cities, ugh, ever tried to bank and market with pvpers dueling on top of you?), and also has a specific PVP zone set aside (Cyrodill and Battlegrounds).

3a. Notes on Cyrodill PVP - ESO made a bad mistake in my opinion by putting PvE achievements and quests in a true PvP zone; basically, that is high-level quests for PvP builds, and newbie-bait for nightblade gankers (bless your hearts, lol). Any pvp-only zone would need to be kept separated in terms of quests, achievements and objectives based on PvE play, to keep both player bases happy. Blade and Soul also made this same mistake in it's open-world PvP.

tl;dr: Unfortunately for PvP folks, FFXIV was created to be a Final Fantasy game first, with PvP 'tacked' on, and it shows. It order to do Open-world PvP justice (otherwise, why have it really), I think there would need to be a completely separate team to maintain and develop a pvp-only zone/s or servers, and separate skill sets/bars to keep from interfering with PvE balancing.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

........ There would still be bad pfs in a server like that.

I imagine there's be even more, people would do it just to annoy them.