Paladin balance changes suggestions

[TroySoFab]

Thread needs to be moved to the Tank Roles section. You would possibly find more relevant discussion on it there. Thanks!

[Colt47]

Paladin changes I want to see...

Requiscat turning into Confiteor so we don't have a button that is grayed out on the bar most of the time.
Royal Authority turning into attonement so I can reclaim yet another gray button that is only used during the end of a combo.

Those two fixes alone would make the button layout so much damn better than it is right now. I don't even care about the clemency as much as having the ability to not feel like we are a hobbled gunbreaker because for some reason they have a smoother rotation than paladin by miles. Yes, the job works right now and I'm sure some people like it, but for goodness sakes you start fights with 5 buttons disabled, 3 skills that should never be used before using requiscat, and then there is interviene that is both gap closer and an extra attack. There is no way anyone with an honest face can come tell me that this job doesn't need some work still.

I've tried to love paladin with the oath gauge, but the only thing the oath gauge does is turn the paladin into a sheltron spamming robot because the system encourages you to just spam using it all the time instead of being tactical. We'd be better off not even having the gauge and just having the skills with cooldowns. They don't even need to have both cover and intervene, the only reason they had to add intervene is due to how cover interacts with boss mechanics, and cover has some of the funkiest gameplay you'll ever see when you start messing with tank busters.

[Absurdity]

However, just making PLD blocks more significant so it doesn't fall behind the other tanks in Ultimate content (or occasional savage content like the door boss from o12s) is a perfectly viable fix.

Which they previously were...sort of. A lot of people probably never noticed it but since ShB your block mitigation is capped to 2200 Block Strength and 2200 Block Rate as soon as you get the ilvl 440 shield. This wasn't the case in any previous expansion where those two stats on your shield kept increasing with the shield's ilvl, leading to not only more damage blocked (roughtly 25-30%) but also a higher chance to randomly block towards the end of Stormblood.

If we assume that both stats provide the same % chance that would mean a PLD in Stormblood had a potential 30% chance to block 30% of the damage, unlike the unchanging 20% it has now. The 10% higher chance to trigger a block and the additional 10% mitigation made a noticeable difference.

[Curisu]

Ah, this discussion made me remember something.
Was helping a friend (healer) to get e9s prog.
We join a "start from beginning" group.
As PLD I expect to be OT, because my co tank is a WAR.
The WAR is new with 510 gear.
He doesn't move, so I activated tankstance and start explaining him how it is usually handled.
I make a readycheck and the party leader is calling me a "idiot" for wanting to MT as PLD and that it makes it so much harder for the healers, etc. (I have my BiS, btw and my friend didn't care)
I try to reason with him but he leaves, kicks me from the group and places me on his blacklist.

He was technically right but it always depends on the situation.
Ultimates are the only part where you can feel the lack of self-heal.
For every other content a PLD is as good as every other tank, due to HG even better sometimes.

[Jeeqbit]

HG doesn't really make a difference in other content because it only lasts 10 seconds. It's great for that 10 seconds, but after that PLD goes back to being weak while DRK gets to spam TBN and take almost no damage, to the point there is content I don't even need the healer to heal me at all but they do it anyway.

[NeoDivinity]

Dude, Clemency is a situational ability, PLD dont have passive healing cuz if they add it to him, theres no reason to play other Tanks. PLD are already pretty strong.

if you need to adjust and cast a goddamn Clemency to save yourself or a party member from death to get you clear you do it. Thats how it works.

And of course everything is doable with the PLD, he's the most versitile tank in the game where you can have great result with less effort. About passage of arms, u literally weave it just like AST does with his bubble

[Vatom]

Ay! Yah! The god tank complaining again!!

Ladies and gentle fish we got ourselves a live one. Wishing for the sky but owning the world pld never satisfied. (TM)

Why are we even bothering give them a combat rez too while were at it. God knows they have everything else.
Clemency. CLEMENCY!! why are we crying about a heal that almost out powers a healer that you can spam. Know what take it away I cant wait to see how they react when they do get a combo that mits only one auto plz do it. I got one better make HS a attack that also heals everyone in the party. We don't need healers were god
Like jeez you got a built in mit on top of a build in mit its no wonder the other tanks need to have a constant combo heal to keep up.

Unique? I would dare to say they are the most unique of all the tanks even have the most abilities... and wait for it... they work.
Your a tank that cast spells (sorry Drk you didn't make the cut) , has a full on guard ability (cover), 2 party mit no other tank has that, still does dmg too, and a shield... woah i though a giant axe or sword would hit hard but... ok sword and shield it is.

Party mitigation is the strongest, oh but my dmg, guess what everyone is alive
One of the strongest heals in the game, but my dmg, guess what its one of the few tank abilities to compete with TBN.
Oh wait theres more. Best invun and dont give me take excuse oh it has delay, they only thing i see wrong compare to other tanks is when to place it. At least holm/SB you still need to be help, don't get me on LD.

Crazy thought if your dead or your party is dead you dont do damage but if everyone is alive even if at the scarafice of 1 or 2 gcds your gcd can still keep rolling.

PoA more like pass me my drink (for you more younger folks)

Now. Now this isn't to say that pld doesn't have things that dont need to fix but the things like clemency, PoA, and more self mit just seem rather greedy to me unless you wanna loss all your dmg. I mean sure give WAR to 2nd in place medal god know they deserve something with that basic game-play.

Sorry Rant over on this troll post I just feel like this could be use for better question.