Ivalice may not continue

[ReynTime]

I'm going to use this to make another of my unpopular opinions. I wish FFXIV would stop dragging things in from other FF games. It makes me, and I assume at least some others who this as the only FF game they have played feel a little "left out". Even if content is good, you still get that feeling because "oh this is a reference to FF ## and means blah blah blah". Well I could never get into old FF games and didn't play FF ##.

It's also annoying when you hear someone spout some lore point and ask where that's from and you get "oh it was that way in FF YY". Take Male Viera as an example, so many people spouting all this lore about them "oh it was this way in [whatever previous game they were in], so it's going to be that way in FFXIV"

It really does start pissing me off to hear that about half the content it seems like.

Make more original stuff, and less transplanted stuff so we all experience together without the people who have played every FF since the beginning of time knowing half the story.

I mean, SE has at least some awareness of it when they actually made a big deal about the new raids being FFXIV original. I mean think about that, they had to make an issue of that, in every other MMO that would be a given.

And this as an issue is going to grow as more non long time FF players are coming to the game.

Now I'm not against easter eggs and the like, but this has gone WAY beyond that.

That's kind of part of the point. It's a form of encouraging people to buy their other games and play them.

Praise cthulhu! Everything that writer touches turns to boring. I have not started the save the queen stuffs yet but holy cannoli were the Ivilace raid quests ARR levels of awful. Character after character just.. talking. Blah blah blah talk talk talk mrt fields blah blah my play blah blah some royalty and the plight of my people blah blah. First off! I do not know who the heck you even are! How about we talk pay first, I am from this little place called Ul'Dah and time is Gil.

Then in comes the dargon lady with her technobabble who like most of that writer's characters treats the WoL like they are dumb dumb. Yeah yeah yeah I know what auracite is and you could have just stated the crystal reflects ones desires and makes them reality. Simple. It did not take fifteen paragraphs and a research thesis. Has he never heard of the words "exposition dump" before? Also why is this man obsessed with banquets and wine? Not everything medieval is banquets and wine and nobles squabbling..

One more thing. The Dramathurge. He can go find the nearest primal and let it devour his soul or leap from the nearest airship. If I had any control over my warrior of light I would have turned that man inside out then used cure spells to keep him alive and in perpetual agony.

While a lot of this post was really harsh IMO, I agree that Matsuno relies a lot on exposition dump and "tell, not show". And frankly I think that's bad writing.
The worst aspect of XII, for instance, is that everything remotely interesting after the escape from Rabanastre happens off-screen and is only told to us rather than shown.

[MiaShino]

You can introduce other FF stuffs or Neir things into FF14 without writing up two hundred page info dump. The build up for copied factory was lighthearted and most amusing! I enjoyed my interactions with the dwarves and how they called me a "fall guy patsy". Those two were amazing!

It did not require a synopsis of the events of Neir for me to understand what automata were or what was going on with 2B. Show do not tell is a thing.

[Conundrum]

That's kind of part of the point. It's a form of encouraging people to buy their other games and play them.

Except it's not going to work on most people. People who have no nostalgia for the old games aren't going to feel a need to go buy dated games. Also, many people just don't like the gameplay in older FF games, they don't like turn based combat, and they aren't interested in dated graphics.


EDIT: If anything, I'd say it's a cheap ploy to use nostalgia to make people like the content. Also, transposing existing content is easier than making completely original stuff.

[Izar_Chillen]

There are so many interesting side stories they could create to expand on the world we have already experienced . Perhaps make them beast tribes related , give them some screen time , explain some of their existence and show some of the leaders , reasons for why the feel so desperate, rather than just being cannon fodder for WoL at certain plot points .

There are even human pirate factions we never see again once arr/arr job quests are done , one of which plotted to and nearly destroyed Limsa during one of the job quest chains . Factions large enough to be able to try and pull that off arent just goons on a map stood still waiting for a WoL.exe clicker to comer along and kill them for xyz quest to kill xyz pirates.

[Krotoan]

I'm going to use this to make another of my unpopular opinions. I wish FFXIV would stop dragging things in from other FF games. It makes me, and I assume at least some others who this as the only FF game they have played feel a little "left out". Even if content is good, you still get that feeling because "oh this is a reference to FF ## and means blah blah blah". Well I could never get into old FF games and didn't play FF ##.

It's also annoying when you hear someone spout some lore point and ask where that's from and you get "oh it was that way in FF YY". Take Male Viera as an example, so many people spouting all this lore about them "oh it was this way in [whatever previous game they were in], so it's going to be that way in FFXIV"

It really does start pissing me off to hear that about half the content it seems like.

Make more original stuff, and less transplanted stuff so we all experience together without the people who have played every FF since the beginning of time knowing half the story.

I mean, SE has at least some awareness of it when they actually made a big deal about the new raids being FFXIV original. I mean think about that, they had to make an issue of that, in every other MMO that would be a given.

And this as an issue is going to grow as more non long time FF players are coming to the game.

Now I'm not against easter eggs and the like, but this has gone WAY beyond that.

It's a little ironic considering you are playing FF "14". A game series that has always been about constant themes. Crystals, Summons, moogles, chocobos, Cid, airships, warrior of light..

I understand the frustration, but knowing or not, it's part of what makes FF, FF.

[Sotatsu]

But then again they might have had more planned that ended up gutted due to covid and that they couldn't fit into the rest of their future content.

I agree the pandemic didn't help, for sure. And I was totally okay with the development team delaying patchs to maintain the overall game quality at a good level without them having to endure crazy crunch hours.

But delaying patchs, and cutting the ending of a story like this, without facing its main antagonist, who has been teased for 2 years. I don't know... I don't buy it.

To me, it would've been better to just leave us with that last cutscene after the Dalriada raid, and keep the door open for a potential sequel after Endwalker (1, 2, 5 years later, I don't mind).
Gabranth's legion is no longer affiliated with Garlemald, so it was still possible for him to continue his crusade, even with the fall of the empire.
I don't know, it feels there were better ways to end this story aside from the fieldnote "conclusion". Even an optional 1v1 boss fight against Gabranth (like the one against Varis) in a single sidequest would've been better than this.



But well... it is what it is.

[ReynTime]

Except it's not going to work on most people. People who have no nostalgia for the old games aren't going to feel a need to go buy dated games. Also, many people just don't like the gameplay in older FF games, they don't like turn based combat, and they aren't interested in dated graphics.

Also, saying it's basically just an ad for their older stuff is actually pretty insulting to the devs.

Um, no. I'm sure the devs don't have that thin of a skin.
Besides, that's exactly how it works. It's a common tactic, and it's been done for decades. Yeah they do it out of passion for the franchise (most of the time) but it doesn't change the fact it's also done to incite interest in their other products. Same reason why FE took off in the west right after people got curious about who this Ike guy in Smash Bros Melee was.

[Conundrum]

It's a little ironic considering you are playing FF "14". A game series that has always been about constant themes. Crystals, Summons, moogles, chocobos, Cid, airships, warrior of light..

I understand the frustration, but knowing or not, it's part of what makes FF, FF.

None of those are the same as copying story elements whole sale.

Also, something FF fans are always quick to say is FF games are unrelated unless they are numbered XX-Y.

[Theodric]

It's a real shame. I thought the Save the Queen story was some of the best storytelling present in FFXIV to date.

Matsuno handled Gabranth and his followers exceptionally well and the case of characters intrigued me far more than the Scions. That there were actually stakes and consequences present - as should be in the case in war - further appealed to me.

It's definitely dampened my enthusiasm for what the future may bring. I'm already a little wary that the current main story arc is due to end in 6.0.

[hobostew]

I really enjoyed it so I think it's kind of a bummer that it won't continue. Anyone else feel they really waste interesting garlean characters?