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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    My whole point was about people having a derogatory way of thinking or pushing their perspective onto others with illogical statements, or when they don’t agree with others’ perspectives, calling them various names that are actual real life issues and attributing them to a fantasy world. People are allowed to have their own perspectives. However, if that perspective ifs based on fallacies or misinformation then i will call it out. Especially given the devs statements on such matters on things.
    Well, I do think that people should try to be civil when communicating with other people regardless of the topic.

    In terms of attributing real life issues to a fantasy world, that's what can happen when the story tries to present an ambiguity. A fantasy world can be simply be a clear black and white in perspective, though I'd say the same is true in real life for certain things.
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    Kind of a bummer, as the recent Queen arc had a villain that got me to hate (although they fumbled the landing). Plus, mechanically thr Ivalice raids are second only to Weeping City and Dun Scaith.
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    I love the ivalice raids for the amazing voice acting, that alone elevates them above the other alliance raids for me
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    Rasler-heios Nabradia
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    Hi, I am also one of those who was happy with the Return to Ivalice story. The twist really made it interesting for me. Adding Bozja put a new arc in Ivalice which is ok with me. I am sad that the story is no longer continuing. I hope the development team reconsider. Probably have an arrangement with Matsuno to actually end the story so that there wouldn't be any dangling story.
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    Sanna Rosewood
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    I wish Ivalice didn't end the way that it has. Even the field note is very open ended. I do hope we get to see anyone on the Garlean side of things that didn't die again. Even with reading the field note it felt like we would be getting a third part to the story. I don't like that Yoko Taro is getting a Q&A section coming this LL, but I guess he needs to cheekily confirm or deny things about the raid. I do wonder what exactly was cut from the "ending" of the Ivalice stuff. Heck there is so many well we didn't see a body in the ending did we. It's not like the ending to the Weapon storyline where we not only heard and saw a sickly pop and thrown away like trash.

    I like Matsuno's work even though I didn't finish Tactics, XII or XII rival wings as he can be very wordy. Yet he knows how to build worlds and make them very interesting. I might not like the Garleans, but it was interesting that they allowed Matsuno to make the Glaug be the ancestors to the Garleans. Or at least strongly hint at that. He managed to take his own lore and change it enough to have it fit and mostly make sense in the world of XIV. Unlike the Nier stuff where even though I know and understand most of the lore from that universe I still went what the heck and disliked the stuff we got in XIV. I do think part of the reason why is due to what players thought/felt would/might happen in the story and for rewards didn't match up to what we ended up getting.

    Yet, even with those expectations accounted for based on what Yoko Taro tends to do ect it still felt like someone whacked me unconscious, robbed me, stuck soap into my mouth and then drew a lewd picture on my face with a permanent marker. I had to watch Aetherite Radio's episode that had Moose on for it to make sense and like it a little more. I didn't have to do that with Ivalice. Except I still don't buy the whole oh the auracite told me to stop being a racist jerkwad that happened with Ramza in the third part of the alliance raid.
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    Last edited by SannaR; 06-30-2021 at 11:00 AM.

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    I was not really a fan of the story-telling in any of the Ivalice-related stuff, with the raids feeling mostly like a huge exposition dump that was largely a retelling of events from FFT/FFXII, and Bozja was just kind of a mess to me in general for multiple reasons, among them Mikoto's pointless Echo visions and the supposed moral ambiguity of the conflict falling flat when Gabranth has several war criminals amongst his ranks.
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    Van Arn
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Seeing as how this was my favorite raid series (including the sequel in bozja) I'm sad to see it over, but I'm glad we got to experience it. I wish him the best in what comes next.
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    They're never continuing the Bozja storyline?

    Great! Then I'll never have to force myself to do Bozja! Or even try to look up on YouTube someone who did!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennah View Post
    They're never continuing the Bozja storyline?

    Great! Then I'll never have to force myself to do Bozja! Or even try to look up on YouTube someone who did!
    Why would you force yourself to do content you don't enjoy? It sounds really really foolish.
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    Wasselin Kainz
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    Faerie
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    I wonder what happened? It seems very mysterious. Also a little bit unprofessional for the dev/story writer to post like that on twitter.
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