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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    I'm going to use this to make another of my unpopular opinions. I wish FFXIV would stop dragging things in from other FF games. It makes me, and I assume at least some others who this as the only FF game they have played feel a little "left out". Even if content is good, you still get that feeling because "oh this is a reference to FF ## and means blah blah blah". Well I could never get into old FF games and didn't play FF ##.

    It's also annoying when you hear someone spout some lore point and ask where that's from and you get "oh it was that way in FF YY". Take Male Viera as an example, so many people spouting all this lore about them "oh it was this way in [whatever previous game they were in], so it's going to be that way in FFXIV"

    It really does start pissing me off to hear that about half the content it seems like.

    Make more original stuff, and less transplanted stuff so we all experience together without the people who have played every FF since the beginning of time knowing half the story.

    I mean, SE has at least some awareness of it when they actually made a big deal about the new raids being FFXIV original. I mean think about that, they had to make an issue of that, in every other MMO that would be a given.

    And this as an issue is going to grow as more non long time FF players are coming to the game.

    Now I'm not against easter eggs and the like, but this has gone WAY beyond that.
    Unfortunately (for you), dragging in stuff from other FF games is what helped save FFXIV (1.x had none of those), and helped lead to the game being as big as it is today. Ivalice helped me drag in several of my friends who love FFT, Eden dragged in a friend who loves FF8, the Weapons helped convince a few friends who love FF7. Those references you hate so much help get people interested into this game, so there's no way in hell they'll ever stop.
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    Good. Ivalice was basically just a rehashed Tactics with a bare minimum of effort put in to fit into XIV, not to mention the fact they retconned Dalmasca's location from Ilsabard to Othard rubs me the wrong way. And Bozja's story was asinine. Stopped paying attention to it after the whole Misja or however you spell her name thing, not to mention the shit with Mikoto.

    Quote Originally Posted by KuroMaboroshi View Post
    Also, what a dark timeline to live in where Matsuno moves on from XIV without any fanfare and farewell, while Yoko Taro who gave us some of the worst writing in XIV in years is invited on for the next Live Letter.
    While I don't care for either of their writing, it's pretty bad that we're going to have to suffer through yet more Yoko Taro before finally (hopefully) being done with him. Guy's probably going to drop some Just As Planned BS during the Live Letter that'll have his fanboys frothing harder at the mouth with their nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    Make more original stuff, and less transplanted stuff so we all experience together without the people who have played every FF since the beginning of time knowing half the story.
    We DON'T know the story, though. They take the elements and focus them through the XIV lens and give us something entirely new. Eden might have echoes of VIII, but has a unique story relevant to the XIV universe. And Ivalice has echoes of Tactics and XII, but it follows neither of those stories exactly. Stormblood had huge references back to VI, but nothing how they were used in that game except maybe Phantom Train and the cutscene after it. The thing that makes Endwalker exciting with IV references is just how they're going to incorporate elements but also make it different and fit XIV.
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    Ok.

    I'm surprised how long FF14 was able to keep Matsuno pulled away from his own projects/company to be honest.

    While a more longform story told through narratively interconnected side content is conceptually interesting, I don't really care for the Ivalice stuff.
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    I didn't care for the Ivalice raid and its storyline back in Stormblood. (too many cutscenes with long explanations.)
    However, I really enjoy the Bozja sidequest, and I would love to see it get a proper conclusion, with cutscenes and gameplay content.
    Considering the fact the game still has a huge playerbase, and is financially healthy for SE, rushing the end of such a long quest in a poor fieldnote feels like a middle finger to the players who enjoyed this content. And to be honest, it makes me fear for the futur of FFXIV if developpers start to rush things that way.
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    Last edited by Sotatsu; 06-29-2021 at 11:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotatsu View Post
    I didn't care for the Ivalice raid and its storyline back in Stormblood. (too many cutscenes with long explanations.)
    However, I really enjoy the Bozja sidequest, and I would love to see it get a proper conclusion, with cutscenes and gameplay content.
    Considering the fact the game still has a huge playerbase, and is financially healthy for SE, rushing the end of such a long quest in a poor fieldnote feels like a middle finger to the players who enjoyed this content. And to be honest, it makes me fear for the futur of FFXIV is developpers start to rush things that way.
    But then again they might have had more planned that ended up gutted due to covid and that they couldn't fit into the rest of their future content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    But then again they might have had more planned that ended up gutted due to covid and that they couldn't fit into the rest of their future content.
    I agree the pandemic didn't help, for sure. And I was totally okay with the development team delaying patchs to maintain the overall game quality at a good level without them having to endure crazy crunch hours.

    But delaying patchs, and cutting the ending of a story like this, without facing its main antagonist, who has been teased for 2 years. I don't know... I don't buy it.

    To me, it would've been better to just leave us with that last cutscene after the Dalriada raid, and keep the door open for a potential sequel after Endwalker (1, 2, 5 years later, I don't mind).
    Gabranth's legion is no longer affiliated with Garlemald, so it was still possible for him to continue his crusade, even with the fall of the empire.
    I don't know, it feels there were better ways to end this story aside from the fieldnote "conclusion". Even an optional 1v1 boss fight against Gabranth (like the one against Varis) in a single sidequest would've been better than this.



    But well... it is what it is.
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    Last edited by Sotatsu; 06-30-2021 at 12:27 AM.

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    I dont mind. it is not like it was left dangling at part 2 of 3 in an expansion.

    as has been pointed out, the Garleans are in a bit of disarray. hard to continue a story with a lead interested in firming up a power base to be emperor and staying in the hinterlands when they could go back home and try and grab power.

    I liked the Stormblood aspects, Bosja was, hit and miss for me, possibly because it was tied to relic weapons, I dont know. it does not fill me with dread for the future, people just move on, it happens. They could have something come up even better, we dont know yet.

    I am sure Urianger would have something sage and somewhat vague to add in for wisdom, but I am not him, thankfully lol
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    Praise cthulhu! Everything that writer touches turns to boring. I have not started the save the queen stuffs yet but holy cannoli were the Ivilace raid quests ARR levels of awful. Character after character just.. talking. Blah blah blah talk talk talk mrt fields blah blah my play blah blah some royalty and the plight of my people blah blah. First off! I do not know who the heck you even are! How about we talk pay first, I am from this little place called Ul'Dah and time is Gil.

    Then in comes the dargon lady with her technobabble who like most of that writer's characters treats the WoL like they are dumb dumb. Yeah yeah yeah I know what auracite is and you could have just stated the crystal reflects ones desires and makes them reality. Simple. It did not take fifteen paragraphs and a research thesis. Has he never heard of the words "exposition dump" before? Also why is this man obsessed with banquets and wine? Not everything medieval is banquets and wine and nobles squabbling..

    One more thing. The Dramathurge. He can go find the nearest primal and let it devour his soul or leap from the nearest airship. If I had any control over my warrior of light I would have turned that man inside out then used cure spells to keep him alive and in perpetual agony.
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    That's rude, I'm sad about it.
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