Dark Knight Megathread

[WhyAmIHere]

I wouldn't even give Xeno any credit for having any good ideas, myself.
He didn't mention removing enhanced unmend. Enhanced. Unmend.
You cannot make this shish up.

The idea of turning Abyssal Drain into a PLD analogue to combo after the Stalwart Soul combo? Brilliant and inspired; shame it was a person in his chat that came up with that one. AD and CnS should never have been combined into a single recast-timed ability.

Xeno had, like, 2 good ideas total. DRK ABSOLUTELY needs some big TLC.
But given how the dev team has handled things up to this point (looking at how Lionheart breaks Gnashing), I'm not holding my breath.

The change to Living Shadow's better late than never I'd say. Taking away 2 charges of Blood Weapon just to consolidate that and Delirium into one button... why? Why can't Delirium just give both the 3 free Bloodsplillers/Quietus uses *and* 5 Blood Weapon stacks?!

I will never accept Shadowstride or w/e tf it's called; I want Plunge back. Same for GNB; either every tank gets damaging gap closers or no one gets damaging gap closers.

[Ramiee]

The idea of turning Abyssal Drain into a PLD analogue to combo after the Stalwart Soul combo? Brilliant and inspired; shame it was a person in his chat that came up with that one. AD and CnS should never have been combined into a single recast-timed ability.

Nah I disagree, I think it can just return to being a spell. Make it a fast cast but cost as much mp as an attack but does less damage then either flood or edge so its used for self-sustain primarily. The stalwart combo for PLD is like the one unique thing it has, DRK having a unique self sustain in the form of an aoe drain spell like it was in SB would be great. At least at this point all Tanks would have unique self sustain mechanics.

[Marxam]

Nah I disagree, I think it can just return to being a spell. Make it a fast cast but cost as much mp as an attack but does less damage then either flood or edge so its used for self-sustain primarily. The stalwart combo for PLD is like the one unique thing it has, DRK having a unique self sustain in the form of an aoe drain spell like it was in SB would be great. At least at this point all Tanks would have unique self sustain mechanics.

the idea of AD being the third in the aoe combo does make more sense. The same can be said for C&S being the ender after SE. AOE is 123 and single target is 1234. I still feel like TBN needs to lose the mp cost and get 2 charges instead (with increased recast), or at the very least get a 2-3% increase to its HP shield.

[Ramiee]

the idea of AD being the third in the aoe combo does make more sense. The same can be said for C&S being the ender after SE. AOE is 123 and single target is 1234. I still feel like TBN needs to lose the mp cost and get 2 charges instead (with increased recast), or at the very least get a 2-3% increase to its HP shield.

I just fundementally disagree with both.
It doesn't make sense for DRK to have the exact same thing as PLD does this mean now PLD needs to get its own flood of darkness to be the same as DRK? Its as stupid as goring blade being changed from a dot into blasting zone it just a lazy fix for a core balance problem in the game. DRK having AD as a third part to its aoe combo just sounds absurd to me when it has FoD and the aoe blood gauge skills, it doesnt need it.
TBN being changed to remove mp will remove the last revenge tank identity to DRK, TBN will lose its damage if they lose the mp cost and if doesn't happen straight away itll happen soon after when DRK purposely stand in aoes to proc their free 400 potency damage. Then TBN becomes a boring defensive that you use thoughtlessly like all the other ones.

[CasterSvarog]

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And yet if WAR itself isn’t the best of the different flavours of WAR then by god he’ll be so miffed.

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Genuinely the only things I’ll give him is Dark Missionary at or before level 70 and more Mana for using Edge outside of burst windows. And even then the former is something everyone’s been having beef with since ShB.
And like, not even bringing up how Edge and Flood are literally just Shoha and Shoha II. Which is something I never see a lot of people giving crap about unlike Shoha did.
Otherwise I do not like any other idea he brings. Even the whole making Abyssal drain into a ‘third stage’ of the AoE combo because that’s just PLDs divine might and Holy circle thing. Turning it back into a spell? Sure, would give more use for MP outside of TBN and Floods.

[Oizen]

TBN could have no MP cost and still have the Edge Mechanic and it be fine.
-But tanks would stand in yellow to get damage
They already do this for uptime in extreme fights, and wont be worth it in Savage+ anyway.

[Claire_Pendragon]

TBN could have no MP cost and still have the Edge Mechanic and it be fine.
-But tanks would stand in yellow to get damage
They already do this for uptime in extreme fights, and wont be worth it in Savage+ anyway.

dont even need to go that far. you can just have it require your MP be above 30% to use, but not actually consume it. youd still have to watch your MP, and only spend it during bursts and the last 1% of the bosses HP.

[SalamanderIX]

I think Dark Knight is fine at the moment. There is things I'd like to be better, however;
really do not trust Square to do a rework right now, just look at recent history and see what I mean; it could always be *worse*, it's more likely they dumb the job down than make it more interesting.

Hopefully by 8.0 things change. For now I'm just be glad we're on par for DPS and that aspect of balancing seems to be well taken care of.

[Zairava]

I would personally prefer if proc actions would return. Like how (I think it was reprisal?) would be available after parrying an attack. Leaning into being the revenge tank again wouldn't be a terrible idea.

For example, say after TBN pops you get to use either Carve and Spit and Abyssal Drain and this effect lasts 30s and can stack.

[fulminating]

I’d rather stalwart soul was deleted. Not every tank needs a 1 2 combo for aoe. Give dark knight way to generate blood and mp in reasonable quantities during aoe - staple blood price to tbn if key binds are an issue. Make its aoe about using blood on quietus to get mp for abyssal drain. Unleash can be a filler cast when you can’t quietus/drain. You could even put a marked for death effect on flood if that sticking around was important, to provide a use case/resource generator. Idk just trying to force drk into the boring tank template has caused more problems than it solved.