Dark Knight Megathread

[Ryaduera]

Yeah I'm with her, a cooldown doesn't have 100% uptime and should not be considered the same as something that's just part of your rotation for the same reason as Brutal Shell, Storms Path, and Souleater aren't treated as actual healing cooldowns.

The problem with Healing vs Barrier, Barrier negates death, Healing will not, and content will continue shaving off damage from Healing, while Barrier removed any sort of danger throughout content, and higher i-level equipment pushes mechanic cheesing not intently designed to be taken, meaning TBN/Barriers will support more cheesing if pushed.

But the other side of the problem is that with barrier-style tanking, any damage that happens stays. Barriers are basically just an HP increase but your current HP always stay the same. This is what is really making DRK feel weak. Other tanks don't need help getting their HP up, DRK does, no matter how much damage it blocks.

[MagiusNecros]

Shields are not heals. And LD is dependent on heals. So arguably your mitigation options have no synergy with your invuln and is contingent on your healer.

PLD does not have this issue, GNB does not have this issue, WAR does not have this issue, BLUE MAGE does not have this issue.

Only DRK does. It's bad design.

Shields are primarily about damage prevention and with DRK it's very reliant on TBN to survive Tankbusters in endgame without you may as well share a spot floortanking with the Reaper and Dragoon.

[Ryaduera]

Shields are not heals. And LD is dependent on heals. So arguably your mitigation options have no synergy with your invuln and is contingent on your healer.

PLD does not have this issue, GNB does not have this issue, WAR does not have this issue, BLUE MAGE does not have this issue.

Only DRK does. It's bad design.

Shields are primarily about damage prevention and with DRK it's very reliant on TBN to survive Tankbusters in endgame without you may as well share a spot floortanking with the Reaper and Dragoon.

Exactly. Let's get that Maiming set on DRK and call it the "floor tank" set.

[Tranticula]

The fact that drk didn't get any buffs in 6.08 is both expected and depressing at the same time. I loved playing this job in SHB for my static during savage, but now it's just not satisfying nor fun anymore, and all I can think about is how much I want to play a different tank. It's a convoluted mess of being too busy for only a slight edge in dps at top level play, with blood weapon still being the worst that it could possibly be yet delirium got the change it needed.

Drk's defensives are just not comparable to the other tanks right now, being so clearly mediocre. The gap in how much more dps drk does compared to both war and gnb is already a small one (and pld just recieved a ton of potency buffs), but the mitigation/shielding and self-sustain gap is so much larger. Warrior can already solo p1n, although it took the person an hour, it's still a perfect example of just how overtuned the other tanks are compared to what drk is being shafted with.

It's kind of hard to imagine that anyone at SE is even playtesting DRK at this point, because the disparity should be dead obvious, and whoever is in charge of Drk balancing needs to get the memo already. Drk needs changes and it needs them real soon.

[WhyAmIHere]

lets be real. of the EW maligned jobs WHM was more likely to get anything... which they didnt. a reversion for the thin air changes? nah. Misery matching the potency of the three glares lost to spend a lily? nah. even a band-aid for their now present mana issues? nah.

Thinking DRK was gonna receive anything in .08 was a fools errand. even 6.1 i don't expect much. In fact, I'm willing to wager DRK will be in the world first for the next ulti. DRK has to do the most tank damage, otherwise it offers no upsides to bringing it.

[AziraSyuren]

I think expecting DRK to get any changes in the near future is pure copium. If they didn't change anything in EW, or even bother doing something as funny as ruining it further, they clearly think the design of the job is fine as it is.

[RyuDragnier]

lets be real. of the EW maligned jobs WHM was more likely to get anything... which they didnt. a reversion for the thin air changes? nah. Misery matching the potency of the three glares lost to spend a lily? nah. even a band-aid for their now present mana issues? nah.

Not a surprise tbh, it's the most used healer, meaning, and I hate saying this but it's probably what the devs think, "If the job had problems it wouldn't be the most used healer."

[Undeadfire]

Thinking DRK was gonna receive anything in .08 was a fools errand. even 6.1 i don't expect much. In fact, I'm willing to wager DRK will be in the world first for the next ulti. DRK has to do the most tank damage, otherwise it offers no upsides to bringing it.

It won't be Paladin, 100%, very likely to be Dark Knight. Dark Knight pushes the strongest raid DPS output out of all tanks and solves any DPS check issues, same for GNB. War has Holmgang, but Drk/Gnb simply reduce much less risk, killing faster: Less time for errors. Despite War/Pld having better survive tool kits, it won't make their place for World Race.

[RatCopter]

At this point, my only hope is that "wait and see at 6.1" doesn't turn into "wait and see at 6.2", etc etc.

I am on the cusp of just not caring about this job anymore. I've got no more energy to complain or spitball yet another LD rework idea. I'm already playing other jobs. The devs are just gonna do what they want regardless of my input

[MagiusNecros]

At this point, my only hope is that "wait and see at 6.1" doesn't turn into "wait and see at 6.2", etc etc.

I am on the cusp of just not caring about this job anymore. I've got no more energy to complain or spitball yet another LD rework idea. I'm already playing other jobs. The devs are just gonna do what they want, and given their past rhetoric, that may not amount to much.

We've been on this train since 4.0. If nothing happens the shill sellouts will advocate waiting for 7.0 and beyond.

Meanwhile when Shake it off on Warrior was just a mere debuff cleanse they changed it to an amazing raidwide defensive in 4.1. And SIO was just introduced in 4.0.

DRK cries they get nothing. WAR cries they get everything.