Dark Knight Megathread

[Ignimortis]

I've hopped the train to scythe town, but I'm still keeping an eye on the thread. I don't like Xeno's takes mostly because he likes tanks to be interchangeable, to play whatever is FotM for prog and have the same general toolkit to deal with issues.

Personally, I don't really want DRK to get tons of self-healing or support abilities. Maybe buff up Souleater a bit, or something, but giving it a few metric tons of healing like WAR or PLD have would contribute to homogenization yet again, and we are already suffering its' effects. Yes, DRK currently suffers a lot in the defense department. But it shouldn't be fixed by just saying "alright, every tank barely needs a healer now, problem solved".

Honestly, Shadowbringer shouldn't have been an oGCD. Make it a GCD and attach a function to it, like eating into Darkside for a haste buff and a strong hit, or something.

[Deathshiro]

We established that they won't look at jobs with a high playrate

IIRC out of the tanks DRK is the lowest played out of them all. I'm fairly positive PLD or WAR (one of the two) has about double the players on certain fights.

[Kalaam]

Source for that statement ?

[Shurrikhan]

Source for that statement ?

The same site as always.

[Kalaam]

I can imagine which it may be, but like, does it have data on total number of player ? Isn't it too niche of a sample to draw a trend over the majority of players ?

[Xrison]

I guess my question is, what are the chances of SE buffing up DRK before 7.0? If enough people complain, have they been known to balance/buff jobs between expansions?

[ThorneDynasty]

The sample size is around half million EX runs. I'm not a statistician but it's going to be pretty accurate.

[Axxion]

I got damn chocked with this.

[Deathshiro]

I can imagine which it may be, but like, does it have data on total number of player ? Isn't it too niche of a sample to draw a trend over the majority of players ?

Its a decent sample size. Granted its not SE's own stats... but its all we can really go on right now.

[Shin96]

I guess my question is, what are the chances of SE buffing up DRK before 7.0? If enough people complain, have they been known to balance/buff jobs between expansions?

Problem is you can buff up the potenices on whatever skills or make the tank the most important in the meta game but DRK's kit is still severly disjointed.

Shadowbringer being an OGC doesn't lend much variety in playstyle. It should've been a weaponskill; Salt and Darkness being an extension to Salted Earth is a step up but not enough to justify the lack of.. everything.

Only giving a tank defensive cooldowns doesn't make a tank compelling or interesting. Tanks just shouldn't play like DPS classes. Replacing it with Reaper that doesn't even come close to the same complexity was their try but alas, it failed one me.

We all know what they should do and it's to give DRK a very much needed rework but they already stated the 3.0 complexity isn't what they want. How about this SE. At least give us the illusion of meaningful gameplay? Oblation having 2 stacks with no additional resources is a joke. Or how about Enhanced Unmend and Enhanced Living Shadow? At least try making us think this job isn't on life support on copium.

Someone said we repeat the same talking points ad nauseam, however it's on them taking our feedback into consideration. Playing numbers should never factor in wether a job is worth redesigning or not. It's the same problem with designing jobs for newer players that didn't even care about them to begin with.

Someone on the GF stated the same, as to why you would even try to ruin pre-exisiting jobs to capture new players. Dark Knight being ruined is collateral damage to them; they themselves are DPS oriented developers and they're not going to give us what we want unless we make it perfectly clear to them. Not leveling DRK was an idea of mine but it will hardly change the situation since people play for aesthetic alone.