Dark Knight Megathread

[The_User]

I don't think everyone want to count on this 60s recast mitigation alone to handle every tank busters pre lv.70


Also Parry is part of DRK's identity just like how Block is part of PLD's identity. It is a symbolic to show who we are. It doesn't need to be perfect.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I don't think everyone want to count on this 60s recast mitigation alone to handle every tank busters pre lv.70


Also Parry is part of DRK's identity just like how Block is part of PLD's identity. It is a symbolic to show who we are. It doesn't need to be perfect.

Parry "used to be" part of DRK's identity because it actually had interaction with it in 3.0 to 3.58. This stopped a LONG time ago with Stormblood, if anything Gunbreaker is more the Parry Tank right now. Parry itself was a generic stat all four three tanks could spec into and was replaced with Tenacity. Block is still part of PLD's identity because blocking is inherently a shield mechanic, which Paladin retained to this day.

As for the first part, why not? Minus upgrades, PLD + WAR have their entire self-mitigation by Lv52/56, GNB has it by Lv68. What would be in your opinion the problem to give Dark Mind reliable physical mitigation (that isn't Parry) but at a lesser rate than their magic mitigation value?

[The_User]

GNB have nothing to do with Parry at all. They couldn't even claim it is their since it is something they ROBBED from DRK not part of GNB job mechanic.

PLD's block mechanic at present also almost non-exist with sheltron now reduce damage taken instead of actual blocking and oath gauge increased by auto attack not by successfully block.


Do you realize how the weird stance that DRK have is connected to the parry?


Given the chance I would like what was taken from DRK back and to show that not every tank should robbed anything from DRK and call it their and make that a habit.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Firstly, you can't undo the past, it is what it is. We will never go back to parry-engine DRK because it inherently massively favoured DRK being the primary tank in most content, where TBN was the solution to this problem where you can get your retaliation attack (back then 50 Blood -> Bloodspiller/Quietus) regardless if you or your co-tank were the target. Making tanks have any distinctively favoured roles (MT, OT) by design is not great.

As for the stance of how DRK holds the sword and how it possibly resembles historical greatsword stances, this is nice flavour, but should not be the primary driver for designing your job.

DRK needs flavour, don't get me wrong, but making DRK a parry tank again is definitely the last hill I would choose to die on. Much much sooner I'd prefer the main point of Dark Knight returning - Dark Arts, which allowed you to enhance certain attacks and actions for more damage and extra effects, like Dark Passenger's blind effect or Plunge's bonus enmity (when it mattered back then). So for the time being...

Dark Mind, use the Addle treatment (give or take +5%), solves Dark Mind being a useless button in dungeons and against predominantely physical bosses, especially in a level range where the other tanks have (almost) all their defensive buttons already.

[The_User]

Merging dark mind with dark dance and increase parry rate isn't undo the past it is about the future.


Funny how you think it's fine that GNB can own a parry and have no parry mechanic but DRK can't

[The_User]

On the main tank-parry subject. all the dev need to do is make boss spawn something to keep auto attack that trigger the counter of the sub tank and any tank can keep their counter attack mechanic.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Merging dark mind with dark dance and increase parry rate isn't undo the past it is about the future.

Funny how you think it's fine that GNB can own a parry and have no parry mechanic but DRK can't

I already explained why normal physical mitigation of 10-15% on Dark Mind would be vastly superior to anywhere from 30-100% parry rate and have suggested essentially this addition for months now. But in case you missed it:

- Parry is susceptible to crit damage, which disables parry as a whole if a critical hit lands, normal mitigation works. This matters especially in the Lv70 and below range, where The Blackest Night is not yet available and critical hits are still part of the system
- Guaranteeing parry (similar to Bulwark) effectively disables parry as a passive bonus, whereas having standard physical mitigation still allows for parry procs to happen.
- Parry does not mitigate damage-over-time effects, standard physical mitigation does.
- Unlike Camouflage with baseline generic mitigation, parry works completely opposite to Dark Mind's magic mitigation with all of the downsides standard physical mitigation would not have

This is not about who "owns" the parry concept, this is about Parry being a terrible mechanic to add to Dark Mind. What I want is a reliable, consistent mitigation tool that works without having to know all of these details.

[Oizen]

Consistent mitigation would be much preferred with TBN in play

There is content where random parries on the opening normals prevent it from breaking.

[The_User]

I like how you made it sound like allow parry to mitigate a critical hit is impossible.

[The_User]

Why not make oblation an upgrade action of TBN that break it and grant excog (only executable in combat) in exchange for barrie ?