Dark Knight Megathread

[Lyth]

Well no. If you press Bloodspiller on reflex when Living Shadow is up, then you're supposed to be punished for it. If you want the game to reward you and make you feel good about yourself even if you make bad decisions, then you play a job like PLD or WAR. I'm all for addressing inequities, but I'd like DRK to have a bit of a skill ceiling to it.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Im being honest with all of you, TBN tied to damage and refunding itself if broken along the 15s CD giving me more opportunities to mitigate with it is what keeps me from losing my final braincell.

I also find it interesting that a fair amount of you scream in agony over DRK being a WAR clone and absolutely hate homogenization (which I agree), yet in the same breath in wake of the Endwalker mitigation upgrades you call for turning TBN just becoming DRK's Holy Sheltron on a 25s CD without cost, which is peak hypocrisy if you ask me

[Kalaam]

Im being honest with all of you, TBN tied to damage and refunding itself if broken along the 15s CD giving me more opportunities to mitigate with it is what keeps me from losing my final braincell.

I also find it interesting that a fair amount of you scream in agony over DRK being a WAR clone and absolutely hate homogenization (which I agree), yet in the same breath in wake of the Endwalker mitigation upgrades you call for turning TBN just becoming DRK's Holy Sheltron on a 25s CD without cost, which is peak hypocrisy if you ask me

It's not hypocrisy in that case. It's giving even tools.
TBN could be upgraded a number of ways and still be unique, juste like others short mitigations are unique in their own way. Fight balances are based on tanks having short, flexible mitigation tools to use. If one tank doesn't have one, or a stricly inferior one, it won't be able to perform as well. It'll make it "difficult" but not in a good way. It's difficult because your job is weaker, not because it is more complex and lead to more satisfying payoff.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

It's not hypocrisy in that case. It's giving even tools.
TBN could be upgraded a number of ways and still be unique, juste like others short mitigations are unique in their own way. Fight balances are based on tanks having short, flexible mitigation tools to use. If one tank doesn't have one, or a stricly inferior one, it won't be able to perform as well. It'll make it "difficult" but not in a good way. It's difficult because your job is weaker, not because it is more complex and lead to more satisfying payoff.

I can see your point and maybe I'm initially harsh, but that is mainly because I cannot in good faith advocate for changing the basic concept of TBN in favour of becoming "even" to equivalents.

I can see appeal to have partial refunding upon break failure, but at its' core TBN should stay what it is. An upgrade akin to Holy Sheltron, Bloodwhetting, etc. could happen, however I'd suggest adjusting Oblation instead to have more impact or maybe rerelease a physical Dark Mind on a shared CD (Dark Dance), both to have additional decisionmaking and to not sit like a duck in fights with basically no magic damage.

The latter requires them to actually display damage types in damagetext, which has already been done by third-party plugin writers using the game's output to define the damagetype and thus the float text color with 99.9% accuracy. Leaving 0.1% for the case where damage becomes zero.

[shao32]

At least from the JP forums DRK is the only job that haven't been fitted on the reward using your mitigation tools on a precise moment for maximum benefic doctrine Wich is true, all tanks now get really big benefics on the first seconds of Shelltron, Heart of comondrum, ECT except DRK who just sit there with TBN being TBN punishing you for using it bad and being like it should when you do it right at contrary to the other tanks.
On the other hand homogenization on the mitigations kits it's absurd and that's true, apart that TBN is the only trick that DRK have and the job basically sustain his broken identity on that shield, making TBN being like the other 3 is just literally the final nail on the coffing considering it have half of that final nail already on the coffing with the inmense buffs on the other tanks short CDs.

TBN doesn't need his MP cost removed the job is already so braindead at it is but I won't deny TBN it's a poor excuse of complexity.

[ArthurATDayne]

At least from the JP forums DRK is the only job that haven't been fitted on the reward using your mitigation tools on a precise moment for maximum benefic doctrine Wich is true, all tanks now get really big benefics on the first seconds of Shelltron, Heart of comondrum, ECT except DRK who just sit there with TBN being TBN punishing you for using it bad and being like it should when you do it right at contrary to the other tanks.
On the other hand homogenization on the mitigations kits it's absurd and that's true, apart that TBN is the only trick that DRK have and the job basically sustain his broken identity on that shield, making TBN being like the other 3 is just literally the final nail on the coffing considering it have half of that final nail already on the coffing with the inmense buffs on the other tanks short CDs.

TBN doesn't need his MP cost removed the job is already so braindead at it is but I won't deny TBN it's a poor excuse of complexity.

My guess is somebody higher up on the DRK Team thinks that The Blackest Night is already a Done Deal because it rewards players for good timing via the Dark Arts Proc=> Free Edge/Flood use and that's good enough to them.

And the 3000 Mana cost that seems wasted if it the HP Bubble doesn't pop is balanced enough against the other pros of TBN.

The 3000 Mana cost feels more painful to DRK Players because our Mana Regen Sustain feels pitiful, small chump change like we never have enough to use Edge/Flood often alongside TBN, it's always one or the other and relying on that bubble to hopefully pop to keep up the offensive sustain.

I really think Mana/Blood Regen should be increased across the DRK Kit at least And/Or have TBN bubble duration last longer than 7s, bumped up to 8-10s to give more opportunities and certainty that it will pop.

[Rosenstrauch]

Every time I see someone complaining about the idea of TBN losing the Dark Arts proc, I can't help but be reminded that Paladin used to have Shield Swipe. Y'know, that one ability that could only be used after blocking an attack. Oh, and Sheltron being added in Heavensward. It only blocked a single attack back then, same as in Stormblood. You were expected to block one single big attack with it, and your reward for doing so was a free oGCD.

But anyways, how about that Oblation? 10% damage reduction, on any party member you choose! That's such an amazing skill, it... is literally just Intervention, but without the additional damage reduction from Rampart/Sentinel. On a 60 second cooldown. Oh, but you get two charges! Oh, and DRK already had Intervention. It's called "the Blackest Night". I wonder why a redundant ability like Oblation even exists, then.

[Kalaam]

Oblation's looks cool though, I wish it replaced TBN's animation.

[Shin96]

1000 posts already. Good job guys, keep the discussions relevant.

[shao32]

Oblation should have been a Dark mind upgrade, change my mind.