Dark Knight Megathread

[Terhix]

Abyssal Drain has over double the CD of Bloodwhetting and half the healing potency (why) and is tied to CaS.

BW heals 4 times too, so AD healing is 12.5% of a single BW, even discounting the shield and just accounting for the cooldown Abyssal Drain is just about 5.2% of the HPS of Bloodwhetting. It is kind of funny how out of the two (ignoring Living Dead) tank self-heals that have multi-target scaling one is ridiculously overtuned, and the other is barely noticable.

[AlucaDragonheart]

So after switching to Paladin (which is actually fun) it's made me wonder, if Paladin can get a whole new combo off of Atonement, why couldn't Dark Knight get a Power Slash combo after Souleater or something?

[Mecia]

It really feels like DRK didnt gain anything in DT, more so than some other jobs. Does Disesteem even have a sound or visual effect?

[Zairava]

It really feels like DRK didnt gain anything in DT, more so than some other jobs. Does Disesteem even have a sound or visual effect?

Outside of the animation being cool and the niche case of it being useful for forced disengagement to keep uptime it's pretty much the same once every 2 minute nothingburger almost if not every job got

[WhyAmIHere]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5850863

No matter how much things change, things always stay the same.

[Rizlee]

i honestly think that they should combine dark mind with tbn, and reduce the cost of tbn and edge of shadow to 2000 MP, and add a small heal over time on oblation (like 100 cure potency), and add an extra 200 potency damage button to replace dark mind that will add a bloodbath effect for 10 seconds, that should fix drk by a mile when it comes to being mt in raids and running dungeons

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

i honestly think that they should combine dark mind with tbn

No, for the same reason Oblation should not be merged with TBN, Dark Mind should also not be merged with TBN. You'd essentially kill the flexibility between those cooldowns.

There are scenarios where you don't want to pop Dark Mind along with TBN because you already happen to have Shadowed Vigil running for example, so Dark Mind would be overkill mitigation and better used for auto-attacks or a buster later. Likewise there are moments you'd want to Dark Mind, but not want to have the TBN effect up because you might not get actual value from it.

The keyword here is "flexibility", which you'd dearly sacrifice with a change like that. Even the additional sustain suggestion would not make up for that as you suggested and would make it less viable in content where it matters a lot more.

Dark Mind needs to be addressed, but it should not be done with heavy-handed changes like this - instead the usability against physical attacks should be implemented in the first place, so like a half-power physical mitigation (10%) tacked onto it or a general rework like making it a generic mit with additional HP shields that could change in value under certain conditions.

Do not increase or decrease the available cooldowns. Merging cooldowns in most cases lead to really bad gameplay feel and a gigantic loss in flexibility.

[excelsiorjones]

What if:

• DRK gets a new gauge that replaces Dark Arts. Let's call it Dark-MP (DMP). It does not regen over time like MP. If DRK has any DMP stored, they preferentially spend it over MP. So if you have 2k DMP and 10k MP, using TBN or Edge of Shadow (3k MP cost) will eat the DMP and leave you with 9k MP left.
• TBN now gives you DMP upon expiring based on the % of the shield that was consumed. If it's completely consumed, you get 3k DMP. If it's 90% consumed, you get 2700 DMP, etc.

This still lets you use TBN as a way to generate an extra Edge and still incentivizes correctly managing incoming damage, but isn't as binary and punishing if the shield doesn't pop.

[Shurrikhan]

Seen this idea since Shadowbringers and I'm not against it per se (I've even suggested it myself often enough) but it does reduce the engagement possible from TBN even while better securing it against the problems of excess ilvl.

Hmmm...

Another I've considered is to have the barrier be variable with MP available (spending 30% of current MP), greatly amp bankable MP generating actions, and maybe both have DMP (from damage absorbed, usable on MP-spending attacks or temporarily adding to attack power) and, say, VMP (from MP spending attacks, usable on drain actions or to generate Attack Speed), so that you can slim or beef up your TBNs. Still working on a mock-up for that though.

[ThorinG]

.CnS: 30 sec CD
.AbyssalD: 60 sec CD on 2 charges
.Syphon Strike: also grants 10 blood gauge
.Edge of shdw: on 5 sec CD, but grants a buff that transforms SoulEater to Power Slash
.ShadowBringer: no longer has a CD but requires 2 stacks to use, each blood gauge action & delirium combo action grants 1 stack (almost similar to SAM Shoha)
.TBN: grants DA regardless, but grants a HoT effect if shield is broken