Dark Knight Megathread

[Oizen]

I'd say it matters, it feels like shit just not being able to contribute to raidwide mitigation as a tank.

[GoatOfWar]

I'd say it matters, it feels like shit just not being able to contribute to raidwide mitigation as a tank.

Solid point.
Imagine a healer not being able to fulfill their primary job because it's arbitrarily decided that cards or fairies can't heal fire damage.

[Oizen]

It bothers me a lot less with Dark Mind than Dark Missionary. Dark Mind has tangible upsides, and you have other mitigations to fall back on.

Dark Missionary however is your only unique option for raidwide mitigation.

[Danelo]

At this point there seems to be a large number of folks that are dissatisfied with DRK’s damage, maybe less now post patch, because selfsustain is so low? This seems to mainly be a problem with dungeons, which has typically been a lesser problem since the majority of this game focused on raiding. With criterion dungeons I don’t think SE can avoid addressing this. TBN is not a good cd compared to the other short CDs. It’s not enough to carry DRK. In the short term they should decouple AD and CS. Give a AD a ~30sec cd or less and add a HoT or excog to oblation. There’s no reason dark missionary only applies to magic damage only when there is no other not you have to fall back on like is the case with dark mind - adjust it for all damage.

There’s so much love for dark mind, while I understand it, I think it’s holding back DRK. SE seems to be using it, among other mits, as a justification for not doing more. When pld was moved away from damage specific mitigations, DRK should have been as well.

If SE did this I’d consider leveling it. It was my main in hw, sb, shb, and to a lesser extent in ew(bcs rl). I want to level it, in fact main it, but I’m not going to bother at this point when gnb and war are in way better spots.

[Oizen]

I think its just because functionally DRK has now severely limited short mit alongside two mits that have no use in the tier, and while it has decent damage that is trending to the top of the list, its not really a lead that warrants how many drawbacks bringing a DRK to a fight like M3S entails.

[Ramiee]

Honestly DM and HoL should both do physical mitigation too or at least have something in their raid defensives that defends against physical damage whether thats a barrier or percentage resistance.
I really don't see the point of it only being magical damage defensive if they wanted to do this why would they do something like 10% magical 5% physical like addle, not great but at least its not useless in some fights.

[mallleable]

At the very least, attach a barrier to Heart of Light, and Dark Missionary.

[Zairava]

Just finished Xeno's video on how he would fix it.

Since this can never be stressed enough...

Do not remove the mp cost of tbn and increase the cd to 25s

Do not remove the mp cost of tbn and increase the cd to 25

Do not remove the mp cost of tbn and increase the cd to 25

DO NOT HOMOGENIZE IT TO BE THE EXACT SAME AS THE OTHER SHORT CD'S.

If you have absolutely NO intention of making the offensive kit with active MP management/resource intensive. Leave TBN alone.

We don't need mindless sustain just tacked onto abilities in our kit. We have not one, but 3 resources available for you to use to make it more interesting. MP, Blood Gauge, Darkside if it even remains a timer.

If you are going to rework Dark Knight, actually put some thought and care into it.

[CasterSvarog]

I hadn’t seen that vid yet, but i cannot be surprised he would just say ‘remove the mp cost, make like every other 25 cooldown’.
Genuinely for less experienced DRK player, if you use TBN and it doesn’t break its because you used it at the wrong situation. TBN is not for stuff like Autos or raid wides, you use it for Tank busters and hordes of mobs because that guarantees it breaking. It’s genuinely one of the few fun forms of skill expression and an equivalent to a skill ceiling for the job.
If Yoshi-P or one of the many people who relays this stuff to him. Don’t change it. Just don’t. At the worst just introduce some kind of MP restore if it doesn’t break, even if its not the full 3000k cost like 2000 or 2500 just don’t get rid of it.

Edit: Never let bro cook again. I love how some top comments are literally just saying that it’s just Paladin or how it’s just like every other tank.

[Ramiee]

Xeno believes tanks should all be like WAR.
He genuniely believes the fact Bulwark is on PLD now make it OP because it has two raid wide mitigations. DRK mp cost for the shield is because the shield refunds that mp for damage if you use it correctly, its there for optimisation its just like ED on scholar. If you remove the mana cost from TBN you have to remove the free MP attack because then we have another shield swipe situation where you would press it on CD for the chance of getting an extra free hit of damage, anyone who doesn't think this will happen is wrong this ALWAYS happens. You know what will happen if the MP cost is removed? The free attack also goes, so what then? TBN just becomes a boring shield with nothing special? Seriously I can't comprehend people who want TBN to be changed if you seriously want a stronger short CD just ask for Oblation to be buffed.