Dark Knight Megathread

[Tranticula]

The fact that drk didn't get any buffs in 6.08 is both expected and depressing at the same time. I loved playing this job in SHB for my static during savage, but now it's just not satisfying nor fun anymore, and all I can think about is how much I want to play a different tank. It's a convoluted mess of being too busy for only a slight edge in dps at top level play, with blood weapon still being the worst that it could possibly be yet delirium got the change it needed.

Drk's defensives are just not comparable to the other tanks right now, being so clearly mediocre. The gap in how much more dps drk does compared to both war and gnb is already a small one (and pld just recieved a ton of potency buffs), but the mitigation/shielding and self-sustain gap is so much larger. Warrior can already solo p1n, although it took the person an hour, it's still a perfect example of just how overtuned the other tanks are compared to what drk is being shafted with.

It's kind of hard to imagine that anyone at SE is even playtesting DRK at this point, because the disparity should be dead obvious, and whoever is in charge of Drk balancing needs to get the memo already. Drk needs changes and it needs them real soon.

[WhyAmIHere]

lets be real. of the EW maligned jobs WHM was more likely to get anything... which they didnt. a reversion for the thin air changes? nah. Misery matching the potency of the three glares lost to spend a lily? nah. even a band-aid for their now present mana issues? nah.

Thinking DRK was gonna receive anything in .08 was a fools errand. even 6.1 i don't expect much. In fact, I'm willing to wager DRK will be in the world first for the next ulti. DRK has to do the most tank damage, otherwise it offers no upsides to bringing it.

[RyuDragnier]

lets be real. of the EW maligned jobs WHM was more likely to get anything... which they didnt. a reversion for the thin air changes? nah. Misery matching the potency of the three glares lost to spend a lily? nah. even a band-aid for their now present mana issues? nah.

Not a surprise tbh, it's the most used healer, meaning, and I hate saying this but it's probably what the devs think, "If the job had problems it wouldn't be the most used healer."

[Undeadfire]

Thinking DRK was gonna receive anything in .08 was a fools errand. even 6.1 i don't expect much. In fact, I'm willing to wager DRK will be in the world first for the next ulti. DRK has to do the most tank damage, otherwise it offers no upsides to bringing it.

It won't be Paladin, 100%, very likely to be Dark Knight. Dark Knight pushes the strongest raid DPS output out of all tanks and solves any DPS check issues, same for GNB. War has Holmgang, but Drk/Gnb simply reduce much less risk, killing faster: Less time for errors. Despite War/Pld having better survive tool kits, it won't make their place for World Race.

[AziraSyuren]

I think expecting DRK to get any changes in the near future is pure copium. If they didn't change anything in EW, or even bother doing something as funny as ruining it further, they clearly think the design of the job is fine as it is.

[RatCopter]

At this point, my only hope is that "wait and see at 6.1" doesn't turn into "wait and see at 6.2", etc etc.

I am on the cusp of just not caring about this job anymore. I've got no more energy to complain or spitball yet another LD rework idea. I'm already playing other jobs. The devs are just gonna do what they want regardless of my input

[MagiusNecros]

At this point, my only hope is that "wait and see at 6.1" doesn't turn into "wait and see at 6.2", etc etc.

I am on the cusp of just not caring about this job anymore. I've got no more energy to complain or spitball yet another LD rework idea. I'm already playing other jobs. The devs are just gonna do what they want, and given their past rhetoric, that may not amount to much.

We've been on this train since 4.0. If nothing happens the shill sellouts will advocate waiting for 7.0 and beyond.

Meanwhile when Shake it off on Warrior was just a mere debuff cleanse they changed it to an amazing raidwide defensive in 4.1. And SIO was just introduced in 4.0.

DRK cries they get nothing. WAR cries they get everything.

[Archwizard]

Thinking DRK was gonna receive anything in .08 was a fools errand. even 6.1 i don't expect much.

I think expecting DRK to get any changes in the near future is pure copium. If they didn't change anything in EW, or even bother doing something as funny as ruining it further, they clearly think the design of the job is fine as it is.

At this point, my only hope is that "wait and see at 6.1" doesn't turn into "wait and see at 6.2", etc etc.

DRK cries they get nothing. WAR cries they get everything.

I cannot stress enough that Yoshi-P explicitly said that 6.08 would just be a damage pass, like bringing other DPS up to the level of RPR or better. For all the areas in which DRK is lacking, damage is not one of them.

Throwing "DRK cries they get nothing" out at any opportunity, even in a case when we were explicitly told nobody was getting any of the mechanical adjustments DRK needs, just throws out discussion for pointless doomsaying and crybabying.

Now can we please cease with the flood of salt over not getting something we were not only never promised but told not to expect? Even if you're skeptical about 6.1, you could at least hold that until we get a whiff of what kinds of changes they plan to make, and then see if DRK's truly being "passed over".

[MagiusNecros]

Now can we please cease with the flood of salt over not getting something we were not only never promised but told not to expect? Even if you're skeptical about 6.1, you could at least hold that until we get a whiff of what kinds of changes they plan to make, and then see if DRK's truly being "passed over".

No.

Dark Knights have once again held off since 4.0 only to have been treated with a complete gutting of their kit to give the other 3 tanks, the complete removal of parry(after spending patch cycles promising players they were working on it), the removal of Dark Arts, terrible leveling design(Stalwart Soul and Dark Missionary specifically being post 70), removal of class identity through the loss of Blood Price, Sole Survivor and other iconic abilities, neutering of Abyssal Drain, Blood Weapon having an issue with latency as well as being split between skill and spell speed, and LD being the worst invuln since 3.0.

And the reasoning for Living Dead remaining as is because of lore reasons. The same lore reasons that claimed Paladins could never block magic yet a few expansions later lo and behold they can block magic. Hypocrisy.

The whole DPS argument doesn't hold up very well considering Gunbreaker does comparable DPS and is by far and large a better designed Tank that has actual defensives.

If they want it to be a shit tank with amazing damage then it would have to be hitting much harder then GNB does to complement it's fragility.

Yoshi P did state that 6.08 would be just potency adjustments but at the same time Dragoon also got a QoL system change to Dragon Sight so ummm...?

The main point is if a Paladin complained about not being able to block magic it was eventually changed to block magic.

And even more concerning is when Warriors were up in arms about Shake It Off being underwhelming it was changed very shortly in one patch cycle.

And on top of that each expansion they have consistently buffed Holmgang to the point that a Trust NPC that uses the class Dark Knight has Holmgang as their invuln instead of Living Dead. So even the dev team knows the skill is complete garbage.

It seems to be the class fantasy to see how much shittier they can make the job each expansion.

I highly admire your optimism but I don't think anything is gonna happen. Nothing but bad news has happened for 7 years with the class. And until changes are made on the level of the Warrior and Paladin reworks the hell raising Dark Knights of the Heaven's Ward are not going to stop their crusade.

[Shurrikhan]

I highly admire your optimism

Why do you keep passing any position that doesn't think that repeatedly restated grievances, especially if given in contexts that could only make those complaints seem less reasonable, are of sufficient benefit to be worth overshadowing most other avenues of discussion as... naive optimism?

Such has very little, ultimately, to do with optimism (nor naivety, for that matter). It's not even a primary factor.