Dark Knight Megathread

[Agner]

Living Dead

This ability has survived since the start of Heavensward. In about 5 months, Living Dead will have been around for seven whole years. I'd bet an easy $100 this ability stays for the rest of this expansion and probably onward. D;

[Archwizard]

This ability has survived since the start of Heavensward. In about 5 months, Living Dead will have been around for seven whole years. I'd bet an easy $100 this ability stays for the rest of this expansion and probably onward. D;

My thinking is this may be the first opportunity in a long while where LD's actually being seriously examined, considering that the damage output this expansion (meant to take advantage of the new "active" mitigation style of timing a block in the first few seconds) means TBN itself isn't able to do the job of three other mitigation skills on its own anymore like it has been since its introduction, so people are actually seeing LD's deficit outside of raids.

With a community-wide decrying of DRKs feeling left in the dust by the changes that came to other tanks, being significantly harder to heal than other tanks, the introduction of a new healer they're likely watching like hawks (who cannot pull a DRK out of WD without a surplus of resources that were likely spent keeping them out of LD), etc... this is prime time to actually call attention to LD's failings, rather than just tossing it onto the pile of wishlisting for an "otherwise okay" job.

[MagiusNecros]

This ability has survived since the start of Heavensward. In about 5 months, Living Dead will have been around for seven whole years. I'd bet an easy $100 this ability stays for the rest of this expansion and probably onward. D;

You don't understand. Living Dead is a 20 second invuln. /s

I think the devs are stuck in their ways. It won't change.

Not with Enhanced Unmend and the CnS/AD shared recast malarkey.

[Duskane]

playing it safe for savage i guess
atleast i can sit back and watch PLD thread blow up

[RyuDragnier]

playing it safe for savage i guess
atleast i can sit back and watch PLD thread blow up

I'm hoping that they're waiting to see the data from Savage clears before they do more changes...but I know that's a futile hope.

[Kitkat]

Yeah, really not a fan of CnS/AD sharing recast at all. I get Drk dmg output is up there right now, but their self heal is a joke compared to other tanks entirely.

[Archwizard]

So if I may ask, aside from the fact that AD is part of the DRK's sustain, why is the cry more for separating C&S from AD instead of having C&S also heal, since AD for its part at least restores MP?

I mean don't get me wrong, if they're going to connect the two ostensibly to reduce oGCD load, at least commit to making C&S the single-target version in every relevant manner and have it give a juicy life-leech. Possibly even a solid opportunity to have it heal more versus a single target than AD.

But consensus seems to be to disconnect them. Is this just about damage output? Does that reversion include removing the MP drain from AD? Where are we here, I'm genuinely curious, not a rhetorical question.

[VicariousXIV]

So if I may ask, aside from the fact that AD is part of the DRK's sustain, why is the cry more for separating C&S from AD instead of having C&S also heal, since AD for its part at least restores MP?

I mean don't get me wrong, if they're going to connect the two ostensibly to reduce oGCD load, at least commit to making C&S the single-target version in every relevant manner and have it give a juicy life-leech. Possibly even a solid opportunity to have it heal more versus a single target than AD.

But consensus seems to be to disconnect them. Is this just about damage output? Does that reversion include removing the MP drain from AD? Where are we here, I'm genuinely curious, not a rhetorical question.

I completely agree, and I'm also kind of unsure why so many people want them uncoupled.....

I mean not putting a heal on CnS after adding MP regen to AD is one hell of a stupid oversight, but let's be real, using AD on single targets was a literal waste of a button press, and having CnS in AoE was just to get MP, which AD does now. Putting them together felt like one of the very few GOOD things they did for EW.

Thinking about it, I bet it's partially cause of the nostalgia for the old AD, without a recast timer and having an MP cost, people wanting them separated are probably still wishing or hoping for that to come back in some way and making them share a recast timer is essentially a nail in the coffin for those hopes. I see no other objective reason to decouple them, especially since we've already got so many other oGCDs to run through that even with little impact they still have faaar more then AD ever did on a single target.

Honestly, just add cure potency to CnS, then also add it to Bloodspiller and Quietus. There are plenty of other changes I want for the DRK but just those two things will save it's sorry state in dungeon content. Fully decoupling AD and even reverting it to it's MP cost days will still result in the DRK just running out of MP without any reliable means to regen it fast enough, plus it would make Quietus pointless. It's simply not a good solution for anything objective.

[MagiusNecros]

It's restrictive and AD is objectively shittier then the other tanks "60s" sustain options. Especially in fights with less then 6 enemies.

AD was at it's best in HW/SB when paired with Blood Price. Sustain was good and was fun to press.

Now it's either do good damage or do shit damage with a shit heal.

[Kitkat]

Personally the biggest reason is that I see it as more of a sustain tool in group pulls. This is something Drk is lacking in comparison to other tanks. And given that they already make part of Drks 123 have a 300 potency heal is going to be reason enough they don't want to add it to CnS too. You know, because Drk are supposed to be all about the pain and living on the edge hoping the healer is ready for the living dead use and all instead.