Dark Knight Megathread

[Crater]

Regarding tanks' self sustain. It going to be pretty problematic, when both tanks take damage for prolonged amount of time. Like go to P3 as DRK and be an OT there. See how fun it is.

That's a particularly bad example. From a defensive standpoint, DRK can handle the OT role in P3N substantially better than PLD or GNB, and about as well as WAR. You can use TBN on cooldown and have it reliably break, creating a situation where TBN is (as always) only 80% as effective as the other tanks' 25s mitigation skills on a per-use basis, but producing substantially more value in a sustained-damage environment because it's usable every 15 seconds, not every 25. The only problem with DRK as OT in that fight is that using TBN on cooldown means that you have to use a Dark Arts proc every 15 seconds, meaning that you're pulling them out of raid buff windows. That's a reason to change Dark Arts and/or Edge of Shadow - not a reason to change TBN or to shove a bunch of extra healing into the class just because all the other kids are doing it.

Whether that's relevant in Savage or not, I can't say.

[Oizen]

Regarding tanks' self sustain. It going to be pretty problematic, when both tanks take damage for prolonged amount of time. Like go to P3 as DRK and be an OT there. See how fun it is.

Just experienced this myself and holy shit the entire raid if you're OT, you need to pop TBN every single second you can save for when the boss just isnt attacking at all.

I'm worried they're designing future content with the idea tanks have self sustain in mind, without actually giving any to DRK.

[Shin96]

I feel like I'm the only one that likes Endwalker DRK. It makes me a bit of a hypocrite because I said no one should level it, tried it at 80 and hey it's not actually that bad.

Dark Knight needs a better version of Delirium, call it Dark Arts 2.0 renewed or whatever. The gameplay loop is definitely a lot smoother than ShB's DRK and speedier. All they need to do is fix the disjointed feeling you have while playing like Shadowbringer being an OGC instead of being a GCD.

Oblation needs to be cut down by one and have a cooldown of 15 seconds with HP regen additionally. Make it like all the other tanks. For gameplay I suggest adding a DoT similiar to Reaper, making your target 10% weaker to your damage. Living Dead obviously needs a fix! Overall, I enjoy it but I hope everyone else gets a better deal out of it someday.

DRK isn't my main anymore but I definitely enjoy its change from ShB, that was an absolute trashfire and felt way too slow. Not too mention Inner Delirium.

[Danelo]

I feel like I'm the only one that likes Endwalker DRK. It makes me a bit of a hypocrite because I said no one should level it, tried it at 80 and hey it's not actually that bad.

Dark Knight needs a better version of Delirium, call it Dark Arts 2.0 renewed or whatever. The gameplay loop is definitely a lot smoother than ShB's DRK and speedier. All they need to do is fix the disjointed feeling you have while playing like Shadowbringer being an OGC instead of being a GCD.

Oblation needs to be cut down by one and have a cooldown of 15 seconds with HP regen additionally. Make it like all the other tanks. For gameplay I suggest adding a DoT similiar to Reaper, making your target 10% weaker to your damage. Living Dead obviously needs a fix! Overall, I enjoy it but I hope everyone else gets a better deal out of it someday.

DRK isn't my main anymore but I definitely enjoy its change from ShB, that was an absolute trashfire and felt way too slow. Not too mention Inner Delirium.

Get rid of dark mind and buff oblation to 15% reduction with a hot. Keep the 2 charges on it but add that you can’t stack them.

[Zordrage]

oblation to 15% reduction with a hot

I take it.

We have so many 10% damage reduction crap going on that i have no idea why they had to add ANOTHER one that does nothing extra...it was so they can say look we gived DRK new abilities too LOL !
its just button bloat at this point in its current form.

[RyuDragnier]

Get rid of dark mind and buff oblation to 15% reduction with a hot. Keep the 2 charges on it but add that you can’t stack them.

I like this idea, especially if the HoT is there by default when obtained at level 45 and level 82 only gives it the 2nd charge.

[OdinelStarrei]

I feel like I'm the only one that likes Endwalker DRK. It makes me a bit of a hypocrite because I said no one should level it, tried it at 80 and hey it's not actually that bad.

Same really. I'm so tired.

I had a huge, huge post talking about how I thought Oblation is actually much more interesting as a cooldown compared to the others because of it's incredible flexibility and versatility as the person who writes cooldown timelines. How Enhanced Unmend is essentially better and more situationally useful than the 3rd Onslaught charge after opener if you're putting all oGCDs into raidbuffs. How the Delirium change has made the 1 minute so crowded, I spend a lot of the 123 spam after burst in thought, setting up for it by dumping resources so BW doesn't overcap, or at the very least, looking for defensive mitigation opportunities with Oblation, and TBN, especially now with a total absence of 60s/90s raid buffs, leading to off minute downtimes filled with more TBN support for defensive purposes rather than offensive DA proc manipulation.

How I've never had any problems with sustain the entire expansion, even in randoms. How those same dungeons have me at obscene levels of damage because of how jam-packed the kit is with AoE. Why the Abyssal change didn't really matter to me, because 200p heal is effectively worthless, and made the opener/re-opener ever so slightly less busy. I feel like I'm in SB all over again in terms of my sentiment.

But like, what is the point of breaking this job down like that with charts, and graphs, and reasonable arguments, and proper discourse? None of it has worked! Because anything and everything will just be drowned out by outrage.

Blood Weapon is still broken.
Living Dead is still awful.
And being top DPS by a noticeable margin will not fix the malaise that's been inundated in this job for years now.

I'm feeling ambivalent towards DRK. I'm having more fun now than I had last expansion.
I'm feeling bitter towards SE for allowing the job and the people who play it to devolve into this hyperbolic, outlandish state. They did it, by not listening and ignoring the common complaints. Again and again.

These "DRK cannot do dungeons and has NO sustain, please delete it" complaints that everyone keep parroting. It's the same feeling I'm getting about Dark Arts back during 4.X. It's the same thing. When it takes more effort to do the same thing, once more, we will see the aberrations in DRK's kit be hammered down and homogenized. Just use Rampart in the first pull, delay your abyssal drains, save Shadow Wall for the second pull, and TBN/Reprisal on cooldown. Spread out your mitigation! What's a real issue is that if your DPS is bad, or your healer is bad, YOU are going to blamed for it because you can't have instant benedictions every twenty-five seconds.

I'm so frustrated.

[Shin96]

These "DRK cannot do dungeons and has NO sustain, please delete it" complaints that everyone keep parroting. It's the same feeling I'm getting about Dark Arts back during 4.X. It's the same thing. When it takes more effort to do the same thing, once more, we will see the aberrations in DRK's kit be hammered down and homogenized. Just use Rampart in the first pull, delay your abyssal drains, save Shadow Wall for the second pull, and TBN/Reprisal on cooldown. Spread out your mitigation! What's a real issue is that if your DPS is bad, or your healer is bad, YOU are going to blamed for it because you can't have instant benedictions every twenty-five seconds.

Exactly. That's probably the reason why this job got screwed over time and time again. I've leveled DRK all the way to 90 and haven't whiped a single time. Except one occasion but that was on the healer not me.

Don't need self-sustain, at least for me. I try to defeat trash mobs and the like as fast as I can, however, it can be problematic when the fight lasts longer than 40 seconds. But why have we gotten to this point in time? That tanks need so much HP options integrated into their kit at all times? What are healers for anyway? Thought we're tanks.

DRK is in a good place. If they fix LD and enhance Abyssal Drain to be actually viable in most scenarios, you'll see that DRK is far ahead of its ShB iteration and people are just jaded for no reason.

Enhanced Unmend etc. was definitely a kick in the gut but guess what? I'll take that if it means they'll stop ruining this job every expansion. Nor does my opinion invalidate the existence of this thread.

[ThorneDynasty]

Yeah I highly doubt you only wiped a single time if you actually mained DRK throughout EW, or you just didn't play with randoms. Even PLD can't save a party that won't help themselves indefinitely (at least without practicing how to adjust your rotation to maximize MP recovery), and I lost count just how many times I either solo-healed the entire back half of a fight or brought the everyone back up so rez mages could do their thing. I just can't see how DRK could come to even close to similar clutches. This sounds like another "no wipes except circumstances out of my control" anecdote, which entirely misses the point that for other tanks those circumstances are within control.

[gwayne]

Just delete the other tanks self sustain it and boom DRK is king after all they are tanks not healers lol