Dark Knight Megathread

[Sazuzaki]

Been seeing a lot of people complaining about DRK, even on the subreddit of all places. Anyone hopeful for a rework in 6.x or 7.0? This is gonna sound weird, but I'm actually hopeful. I've never seen this many people complain about the class, so I'm a little optimistic.


Hopefully this whole "DRK highest DPS!" thing is over soon so we aren't stuck with what we have rn. Worst case, we only get regen on Oblation. The TRUE worst case, they make TBN free... Somehow dumbing the job down even more.

[ArthurATDayne]

I'd be pretty content if Oblation had an additional Heal Over Time effect, something meaningful that I can use in both single target & multi-target aoe situations.

[Sazuzaki]

I'd be pretty content if Oblation had an additional Heal Over Time effect, something meaningful that I can use in both single target & multi-target aoe situations.

Regen on Oblation would certainly be better than nothing, but I think the job needs a rework of it's core mechanics to fully go into the right direction. It's just a matter of what DRK needs to excel at, and I personally think it should be the versatility tank. Would love to see Dark Arts come back in the form similar to Sages Eukrasia and have us augment our abilities based on what's happening.

*Edited this cause I don't want to ruin anyone's enjoyment in current DRK. Just felt like I was a little too negative with my wording on the original post.

[Agner]

Given how controversial the reintroduction of an MP using Dark Arts would be, I'm in agreement that a Darkside using version would be nicer. I could obviously be speaking out of my arse, as it'd be cool to plan around for gameplay—but given the way SE seems very disinclined to give tanks decent or interesting mechanics, I sadly don't know that they'd actually take that suggestion. If they removed all the MP and Blood management they already did, I heavily doubt they're going to introduce the usage of a third resource.

Giving feedback for this job is incredibly rough. It's hard to say that anyone, most of all SE, knows what they really want it to be. While I understand the disdain many had for Dark Arts, it feels like they tore out a core and replaced it with half or less of a core in the form of Edge/Flood and current Darkside. I don't think any amount of added healing, mitigation, stacked blood weapon, or what have you is going to fix that. I do not even know if there's a good halfway point to meet at for those who enjoyed the old and for those who enjoy the new. It is a grand shame and maybe attempting to enjoy this job or tanking in this game simply isn't for me at this point.

[Kiryyn]

My issue with DRK is the fact that every other tank at 82 got some kind of "mastery" the enhance their kit which allows them to survive significantly better than DRK. Warrior can pretty much perma-heal him/herself, GNB got a massive 900 potency heal with their mastery, and Paladin got a heal on their shield wall. All of these are great additions.

DRK on the other hand - got a 10% mitigation CD which doesn't help them in the slightest in terms of self sustain no matter how many charges are on it because the damage is still coming in... fast and very hard.

Thought process on fixing this? Simple - Take your 10% mitigation CD back and give DRK The Blackest Night Mastery - give them a potency heal on the shield being burst or expiring like was done with GNB.
This not only ties in with what they are ALREADY using as is the other tanks at 82 - but will help with their survivability - and probably make the class a bit more enjoyable even with some of the other lackings.

With this being said - I'm not much of a DRK player in the first place. I am legitimately only playing it to level it, and I can say first hand that it feels terrible. After getting the class to max level - I will not touch it unless something is done to fix what this garbage is at the moment.

[Axxion]

Ill have to agree that dark will need a better self heal in aoe pull and maybe single target. Compared to the other tanks it really needs a better self stain. Like gnb have there very own excog.

[Undeadfire]

Drk is the strongest DPS wise, and only GNB, gets close/Even to it's capability, it's complete madness granting it more buffs.

Paladin couldn't even main tank without the job being punished and yet people accepted it.

[Deathshiro]

Drk is the strongest DPS wise, and only GNB, gets close/Even to it's capability, it's complete madness granting it more buffs.

Paladin couldn't even main tank without the job being punished and yet people accepted it.

DRK vs PLD dps is roughly 3-4%... that's hardly a reason to not give it the QoL or Healing changes it deserves (like Living Dead being an actual cooldown, Blood Weapon having charges, having some form of healing LIKE ALL THE OTHER TANKS). Even then, if it had half the healing GNB had it'd be decent and by your standard they do "close" to the same. So no, I don't think its "complete madness".

[Undeadfire]

Paladin had no self heal sustain for years starting from ARR, punished for losing health and never got any till this Xpac, don't even mention Clemency.

It is madness granting it more buffs to suit the individual.

We don't need another tank that's essentially better than every other tank in everyway. Warrior was only stronger healing in SHBs, but that's it, useless at adapting everything else. GNB in SHBs was stupidly OP.

[Deathshiro]

I wont entertain this again because I'm unsure if you are trolling or not at this point.

It is madness granting it more buffs to suit the individual.

It's to bring it in line with the other 3 tanks that have (quite literally) up to 2000+ potency of healing in ogcds that not only cost a grand total of nothing, BUT dont require full value to get effectiveness out of their usage(as opposed to TBN which requires 100% value or it hurts the player's gameplay)

We don't need another tank that's essentially better than every other tank in everyway

We don't need another that's worse in everyway either defensively or offensively. DRK is even with the other tanks in damage, maybe not on AVERAGE, but in the hands of the right players a 3-4% difference is much better than what we had in previous expansions in terms of balance (outside ShB)

With that said, in a more constructive manner. I'll say it once and i'll sing it to the heavens until it happens: DRK needs 5 charges on Blood weapon to not force SKS melds - Needs a form of ogcd healing that doesn't require a DPS resource (like the other 3 tanks) - Living Dead needs an adjustment to its HP threshold and/or once fully healed, allow the invuln state to still last the full duration (10s) like... again all the other tanks.