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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by J-Reyno View Post
    DRK could definitely use a rework but if we can't have that I'd at least want two changes:

    - Oblation grants a regen effect
    - Blood weapon has 5 stacks for 30 secs, heal for each GCD used
    I honestly don't see a need for a regen effect.

    I suppose if our budget of incoming prevented/recovered were too skewed towards prevention, which is simply objectively better so long as it's granular enough or allotted duration enough not to go to waste (a problem we already see with TBN), we'd end up OP when used as a well-healed prog tank. But, for now... that's not really the case, mostly due to the practical constraints of TBN. We could afford to either first deemphasize those constraints or buff our mitigation before we'd necessarily have to draw in regens.

    Moreover, if we were to get more self-sustain, I'd slightly prefer have it separate from the mitigation itself and/or come from more traditional / thematic sources, such as within a revised Abyssal Drain, Souleater, or even our Bloodspiller.
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    Kalaam's Avatar
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    Kalaam Nozalys
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    Phantom
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Imagine, Oblation second effect being "if applied with The Blackest Night, when TBN breaks oblation becomes a regeneration of 10% of the target's HP per tick for the remaining duration"
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    Lukatiel Candes
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    Diabolos
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Seeing people ignoring drk's issues because SE buffed our damage is so depressing. It's like in ShB when people say "At least we have TBN" and now it's "At least we have high dps" because TBN isn't even that much better now but they gotta cope somehow.
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    Equinox Axxion
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    Behemoth
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jakulo View Post
    Seeing people ignoring drk's issues because SE buffed our damage is so depressing. It's like in ShB when people say "At least we have TBN" and now it's "At least we have high dps" because TBN isn't even that much better now but they gotta cope somehow.
    simple damage trumps over everything else. tbn? you mean more damage /s
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    Last edited by Axxion; 12-14-2021 at 08:12 AM.
    for a year, would you rather be secretly filmed at random moments and have the footage uploaded to your social media or loose $100 when ever you said a curse word?

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    WhyAmIHere's Avatar
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    Mute Shellback
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    Behemoth
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jakulo View Post
    Seeing people ignoring drk's issues because SE buffed our damage is so depressing. It's like in ShB when people say "At least we have TBN" and now it's "At least we have high dps" because TBN isn't even that much better now but they gotta cope somehow.


    Across rDPS, aDPS, and nDPS, DRK is ahead in terms of damage. This is okay, and a static-mate of mine pointed out the seeming dichotomy: WAR/PLD have good sustain, therefore they're doing lower damage, vice GNB/DRK having less, so higher damage to make up for it.

    I get the sentiment, but I'm glad I said I wasn't gonna be tanking this tier. Damage is good and all but for a non-speedkill / high-end focused static, fun should win out over pushing DPS; and when your damage comes with the cons of 1) no sustain in single target outside of Souleater and preventative TBN usage, 2) overwhelming oGCD doubleweaving for burst windows, and 3) no meaningful changes to gameplay outside of a new oGCD, added to not changing at all from one expansion to the next, and I can't but be baffled.

    Who at SE thought this was good enough?
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    nanashinana's Avatar
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    Nanashi Skyglade
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    It's honestly sad that I have to jump to GNB just to get a small little feel of how DRK used to play, and even then it's not the same.
    TBN isn't even good anymore because of all the new tools the other tanks got. I'll still be levelling DRK just for the sake of it, and I'm not hopeful that SE will do anything at all to fix it.

    Hell. Like many, I miss HW DRK but even I still had a little fun with SB DRK even with its mess of a gameplay. ShB and EW DRK feels so shallow and so goddamn boring. When I saw the media tour job actions I immediately decided to switch jobs because I am not going to force myself to play a job that is somehow always devolving instead of evolving every expansion.
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    Mekhana's Avatar
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    Mekhana Souther
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I'm just waiting for the eventual and unavoidable damage nerf bat that is sure to come while not changing anything else.
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    isnt it messed up that goblet is a housing area and not a tiny goblin
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Ravana
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    Viper Lv 100
    new AF good,damage good but gameplay stuck in Shadowbringer
    big feels bad
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    Mekhana's Avatar
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    Mekhana Souther
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    new AF good,damage good but gameplay stuck in Shadowbringer
    big feels bad
    Yeah that's a good, simple way to put it tbh.
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    Keagian Lowell
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    Cactuar
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I would prefer if they removed some oGCDs and lowered the CD on Bloodweapon, Delirium, Salt&Darkness, CnS/AD, and Shadowbringer to 30sec, and lower Living Shadow to 60sec just so DRK doesn't feel so boring and empty for such a prolong period of time.

    And if they won't give us HP Sustain then at least go full in on the Barrier Tank and allow DRK to build up a Barrier.
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