Dark Knight Megathread

[Kalaam]

Ideally we'd have more ways to use all of our ressources (MP, Darkside and Blood) but that would require a deeper rework that we cannot expect for the 6.x patch cycle, and even less for release.
I wish we'd have a Dart Art style MP dump to augment some abilities (to generate another ressource or stuff), while Darkside could be spent to gain Blood, and Blood to gain MP or vice versa. Making the 3 Gauges communicating vessels of some sort.
Darkside being something we can spend would also discourage overcapping it.

[Sazuzaki]

Ideally we'd have more ways to use all of our ressources (MP, Darkside and Blood) but that would require a deeper rework that we cannot expect for the 6.x patch cycle, and even less for release.
I wish we'd have a Dart Art style MP dump to augment some abilities (to generate another ressource or stuff), while Darkside could be spent to gain Blood, and Blood to gain MP or vice versa. Making the 3 Gauges communicating vessels of some sort.
Darkside being something we can spend would also discourage overcapping it.

I'm on board with this, there's just no real synergy with DRK's kit rn aside from your 1-2-3 generating blood and some mana and TBN giving a free EoS.

[Marxam]

Ideally we'd have more ways to use all of our ressources (MP, Darkside and Blood) but that would require a deeper rework that we cannot expect for the 6.x patch cycle, and even less for release.
I wish we'd have a Dart Art style MP dump to augment some abilities (to generate another ressource or stuff), while Darkside could be spent to gain Blood, and Blood to gain MP or vice versa. Making the 3 Gauges communicating vessels of some sort.
Darkside being something we can spend would also discourage overcapping it.

Sounds like you should have played during heavsward. Darkside was an OT stance that you could keep up during Grit, which was different to WAR/PLD who had to switch to their OT stance. However, it reduced any MP regen from outside sources except from siphon strike and blood weapon. DA could also buff gcds, ogcds and defensive cds. DRK was a heavy resource management tank between MP and TP. It was jank and annoying at times but to those that manage to master it were rewarded heavily with engaging gameplay and tons of utility.

[Kalaam]

Honestly, having the 1 2 3 generate 2 out of 3 ressources isn't bad since it is a slow and steady gain. We just need to make it bounce around more with other abilities.
Have Abyssal Drain generate Blood, Shadowbringer refresh your DarkSide to full after spending it all on some powerful abilities or using MP on something stronger than just spamming edge/Flood at the cost of risking being out of Darkside.
Maybe Bloodspiller under Dark Art gives back a massive amount of MP, either DA cost MP itself, so it's only useful after a successful TBN, or it costs Dark Side. There is a lot of ways to go about it.
Salted Earth should still be giving something like 5 Blood every tick, Salt and Darkness could give more blood, or either darkside/MP for every ennemy hit.
Delirium, well...delirium could be a lot of things. Stays the same, change to allow Edge/Flood spam, extend a buff, apply a new buff... It could be used to prolong Living Shadow too, so every other LS use can have like...10 more seconds or something.
Living Shadow costing Darkside would make sense, same with TBN too.

[Llyud1996]

If this is the case, what other things would we have to spend MP on? Only EoS/FoS? The job is already easy enough, it doesn't need to be dumbed down even more. TBN is extremely powerful BECAUSE you have to take a risk. But TBN isn't even that hard to break, and with how easy most of the fights are, you can just completely ignore it anyway and have barely any consequences.

The point I try to make is, that other Tanks 25 sec CD is free. TBN is not and tied to our MP which is used as a DMG ressource. Our MP isn't anything more than a DMG ressource at this point. No other Tank has his defensive Kit tied to it's damage. DRK is the only tank that has this, but isn't getting any adavantage out of it, in best case you break even, due to the procc you can get. While the other Tanks also get a Bonus within the first 4 secs of their ability, TBN doesn't have this. As some kind of compensation we got Oblation which is fine.
Having your defensive tied to your damage ressource makes it that way that you only use TBN when it will 100% pop (not talking about emergencies, but even in those cases it will pop, since it's an emergency). That limits your way to utilize this ability, while the other tanks can use their Heart of Conundrum, Bloodwheeting, Holy Sheltron free, no downside whatsoever, well you need gauge on PLD, but that is purely defensive used, there is no damage abilities tied to your shield gauge.
And yes TBN is powerful, but these new abilities the other Tanks got are extremly strong as well! Take a look at the excog-like Heal on Heart of Conundrum, it's like 15% heal on a Tank + the 28% mitigation within the first 4 secs.
TBN needs a rework to keep up, and at least it needs to be freed from our damamge ressource.

[Sazuzaki]

The point I try to make is, that other Tanks 25 sec CD is free. TBN is not and tied to our MP which is used as a DMG ressource. Our MP isn't anything more than a DMG ressource at this point. No other Tank has his defensive Kit tied to it's damage. DRK is the only tank that has this, but isn't getting any adavantage out of it, in best case you break even, due to the procc you can get. While the other Tanks also get a Bonus within the first 4 secs of their ability, TBN doesn't have this. As some kind of compensation we got Oblation which is fine.
Having your defensive tied to your damage ressource makes it that way that you only use TBN when it will 100% pop (not talking about emergencies, but even in those cases it will pop, since it's an emergency). That limits your way to utilize this ability, while the other tanks can use their Heart of Conundrum, Bloodwheeting, Holy Sheltron free, no downside whatsoever, well you need gauge on PLD, but that is purely defensive used, there is no damage abilities tied to your shield gauge.
And yes TBN is powerful, but these new abilities the other Tanks got are extremly strong as well! Take a look at the excog-like Heal on Heart of Conundrum, it's like 15% heal on a Tank + the 28% mitigation within the first 4 secs.
TBN needs a rework to keep up, and at least it needs to be freed from our damamge ressource.

Yeah I get that, but the point is that DRK is already way too easy and straight forward and TBN is kind of the only think adding any sort of depth to the job. I personally don't think TBN needs a rework, but rather Oblation. Ofc it doesn't need to be as powerful as the other CDs from the other tanks since DRK already has TBN, but it can still have the same concept as the new CDs. I wouldn't mind a slight MP nerf for TBN, say like 2000-2500. But making it completely free is a bit too far I feel. And MP being strictly a dmg resource is not a good thing. Just make EoS/FoS another 20-30 second cool down at that point.

If TBN was made free, the job would have a variety of skills, but absolutely no thought on when to use them. It just simply wouldn't feel rewarding. So rather than just straight up removing the depth from TBN, I'd rather them add more synergy or things that combo off of using TBN. Tbh, I kinda wish Oblation combo'd with TBN and functioned as something to lessen the punishment if TBN fails to break, but also adds a bonus if you use TBN correctly. You get what I mean? Or have Oblation break TBN and just give you a flat 15-30% dmg reduction instead.

TL;DR: TBN is fine, they just need to expand on idea so it doesn't fall behind the other tanks.

[Sazuzaki]

PLEASE I would love having TBN Dark Arts have some more uses. It's not like you have to be MT to get those rewards anyway since you can put it on other people.

Darkside too, there's no real class (I don't think at least) that uses a gauge that's also a timer, so I feel like this would add a bit more "chaos" and identity to DRK's rotation. But hey, EoS generously gives you 30 seconds of Darkside so it's not like it would be too hard. Delirium could be changed to anything that isn't what it is right now and I'd be happy.

[Sazuzaki]

I'm just gonna leave this link here cause I genuinely think this is a cool rework for DRK and want it to be seen, but they didn't post it in the mega thread cause it was apparently "too long."

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-the-kit%21%29

Please Yoshi-P spare us edge lords and Guts-wannabes I just a fun greatsword class

[Visanis]

Didn't DRK have significantly lowered TP costs in exchange anyways? Felt like PLD was consistently the first to run dry (assuming my Warrior could spend Equilibrium on TP occasionally)...

Not in HW, the TP cost reduction was added in SB, if I recall, as an attachment to blood weapon to try to prevent DRK from running out while going faster.

[Keagian]

I know it will never happen but I do hope the Dev's at least has someone look at the forums and at least understand the grievances we all have for the job and hopefully they'll implement changes in 6.1 to implement QoL or better changes.

Even if they don't do a rework to most of what we want, the few things I do want to change are thus.

Make Abyssal Drain cost 3000mp and keep it oGCD. This way it can be used as an alternate to Blackest Night, where in an AoE situation, it'll shine and have a use to keep DRK's alive when we are level synced and don't have Blackest Night below 70. It'll allow players to choose between keeping themselves alive, using the MP to refresh Darkside or using Blackest Night if your already at Full HP. Its already pretty much useless in a single target situation and will help with Burst Button Bloat.

Give Oblation HP Regan with the 10% reduction, just something to make the skill seem less useless.

Give Quietus back its MP restore so it has a purpose other than increase damage. Their are times I even wonder why I even have this skill after you get Stalwart Soul as the increase damage doesn't really warrant using it when you can just Spam Unleash+Stalwart Soul so you can use more Blackest Night or use Flood.