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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitsithhh View Post
    Plus it is none on your business what they do with their purchases.
    in a game where you have a infinite number of houses for everyone no, but in a game where you have a very limited number of it, yeah i think its everyone business to see if the houses are at least being used. Did you read some of the people? houses that on months didn't get decorated, this is unacceptable when there are people out there that would use it properly.
    the problem is no 100% the player, SE need to see a way to fix this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuia View Post
    in a game where you have a infinite number of houses for everyone no, but in a game where you have a very limited number of it, yeah i think its everyone business to see if the houses are at least being used. Did you read some of the people? houses that on months didn't get decorated, this is unacceptable when there are people out there that would use it properly.
    the problem is no 100% the player, SE need to see a way to fix this.
    You really shouldn't focus your attention on the house that's being improperly used (whatever that means), but on WHY it it's being used that way.

    You're never going to get anywhere if you only focus on the symptom without addressing the underlying problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuia View Post
    in a game where you have a infinite number of houses for everyone no, but in a game where you have a very limited number of it, yeah i think its everyone business to see if the houses are at least being used. Did you read some of the people? houses that on months didn't get decorated, this is unacceptable when there are people out there that would use it properly.
    the problem is no 100% the player, SE need to see a way to fix this.
    Then by that thinking the Bill Gates of the world need to account to everyone else for what they're doing with all their billions of dollars because there are hundreds of millions of people who live below the poverty line of their respective countries of residence.

    Sorry but it's really none of our business what other players are doing with their houses. That's between them and SE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Then by that thinking the Bill Gates of the world need to account to everyone else for what they're doing with all their billions of dollars because there are hundreds of millions of people who live below the poverty line of their respective countries of residence.

    Sorry but it's really none of our business what other players are doing with their houses. That's between them and SE.
    Yes. Yes they should. Hey, you brought it up.

    On topic, while, yes, people can do whatever they want with their houses, you must understand how infuriating it can be to want a house but not being able to and having to settle with an Apartment room, while someone who was lucky enough to get a house (and, make no mistake, it is luck based) barely use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Styrmwyda View Post

    On topic, while, yes, people can do whatever they want with their houses, you must understand how infuriating it can be to want a house but not being able to and having to settle with an Apartment room, while someone who was lucky enough to get a house (and, make no mistake, it is luck based) barely use it.
    I definitely understand and sympathize with those frustrated they're unable to get a house. I was there myself during 4.0 and 4.1 after I loss my first house to demolition and there was nothing available because the flippers controlled the wards.

    But put the blame on SE where it belongs. Don't take it out on other players just because they choose to play differently from the way you want to play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    I definitely understand and sympathize with those frustrated they're unable to get a house. I was there myself during 4.0 and 4.1 after I loss my first house to demolition and there was nothing available because the flippers controlled the wards.

    But put the blame on SE where it belongs. Don't take it out on other players just because they choose to play differently from the way you want to play.
    I don't really think you can blame it on SE either, they put up things with the best intensions and is now stuck on, not being able to boot people from their houses bought with RMT money and more, it is a terrible dilemma, but they need to plug the systems, so no third party tool or botting or whatever will be available and severe reduced, because it is in strong conflict with those people who can not use the same tools on PS4/5, whic create an unfair advantage and people doing such alone is strictly violating the ToS by doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    I don't really think you can blame it on SE either, they put up things with the best intensions and is now stuck on, not being able to boot people from their houses bought with RMT money and more, it is a terrible dilemma, but they need to plug the systems, so no third party tool or botting or whatever will be available and severe reduced, because it is in strong conflict with those people who can not use the same tools on PS4/5, whic create an unfair advantage and people doing such alone is strictly violating the ToS by doing so.
    Sometimes best intentions don't work and changes need to be made. It's been apparent since the start of Stormblood that the ward system will not work long term. Each surge of new players strains the system that much farther, especially when SE is reluctant to add more wards because of population disparities between worlds and regions. A system is needed that can flex the supply at the world level as needed instead of behaving as if every world has the same population. That is something only SE can do, thus we have to look to SE if solutions will be implemented.

    As you also said, they need to plug the holes in the system. Exploitation of loopholes should never be ignored because it only encourages more players to take advantage. Again, that is something only SE can do. Plugging those holes may not lead to every player and FC getting a house but at least there would be more able to get one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Sometimes best intentions don't work and changes need to be made. It's been apparent since the start of Stormblood that the ward system will not work long term. Each surge of new players strains the system that much farther, especially when SE is reluctant to add more wards because of population disparities between worlds and regions. A system is needed that can flex the supply at the world level as needed instead of behaving as if every world has the same population. That is something only SE can do, thus we have to look to SE if solutions will be implemented.

    As you also said, they need to plug the holes in the system. Exploitation of loopholes should never be ignored because it only encourages more players to take advantage. Again, that is something only SE can do. Plugging those holes may not lead to every player and FC getting a house but at least there would be more able to get one.
    Best solution we have right now is improving apartments to be true instanced housing rather than yet another FC room not attached to an FC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuia View Post
    in a game where you have a infinite number of houses for everyone no, but in a game where you have a very limited number of it, yeah i think its everyone business to see if the houses are at least being used. Did you read some of the people? houses that on months didn't get decorated, this is unacceptable when there are people out there that would use it properly.
    the problem is no 100% the player, SE need to see a way to fix this.
    No. Neither you, nor anyone else in this game has the right to say what anyone does with their house. That's it, there's no other argument to be made. If they aren't using it then it will be auto-demolished, otherwise they're using it in some form. You don't have to like how they use their house, but its still their house and none of your business how its being used.

    The only thing unacceptable here is people thinking they have the right to dictate how other people use a house.
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